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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral May 23

    Just received an email from Christian at @DBinboxApp about how he feels he must discontinue service to EU citizens due to GDPR as he can’t afford to comply as a small business. Can anyone help him/address his points? This is not an outcome we want from GDPR. CC @PaulNemitzpic.twitter.com/H6Mru50rhf

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      1. Aral Balkan‏ @aral May 23

        #SET: a rule of thumb for a #GDPR world Short term: Survive Comply & use compliant services. Mid term: Evolve Minimise data collection. Data is a liability. Long term: Thrive Build decentralised/peer-to-peer systems without data collection. Privacy is competitive advantage.

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      2. Emma Lilliestam‏ @emalstm May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        The GDPR will not hit small businesses first. Noone even knows yet how these agnostically written definitions will should be interpreted. I would be more worried if I was Cambridge Analytica than if I were you.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral May 23
        Replying to @emalstm @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        This is true. Test cases will target large players. Business model & intent should be key. Also, opportunity for small businesses to use services that are GDPR compliant for storing data + opportunity to innovate/compete with decentralised tech that does not collect data at all.

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      2. Nuno Job‏ @dscape May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        This and silly emails will be the ONLY outcome from GDPR

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral May 23
        Replying to @dscape @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        I don’t believe that at all, Nuno. It is a very significant step forward. The first, I hope, of many. (Given what’s at stake, we will no doubt see three steps forward, two steps back on policy/enforcement fronts. It’s crucial that we fund/build alternatives at the same time.)

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      4. Nuno Job‏ @dscape May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        The amount of hassle (possible 3 months in work) and money we spent at @yldio makes me think otherwise. How many agencies can afford this? Meanwhile facebooks and Google’s will create “privacy offshores” cause it’s their business

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      2. Peter Nelson‏ @_peterdn May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        I expect the exemption for a representative in article 27(2) could apply here for business operations like storing and occasionally contacting customers by email. As long as customers can delete account at any time. In terms of transferring/storing files, hopefully this service..

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      3. Peter Nelson‏ @_peterdn May 23
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        ..already utilises end-to-end encryption & encrypts data at rest, therefore would not count as personal data anyway. I think a good faith and *documented* attempt to comply as far as is reasonable is sufficient. Warnings will be given before fines so reevaluate in unlikely event

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      4. Peter Nelson‏ @_peterdn May 23
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        (Should also mention that I'm not a lawyer so might be completely wrong)

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      1. Jérémie Fontana‏ @skynebula May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        Sorry but… this is stupid. Denying people from Europe to use his service like that (only one line in the ToS) will not help, and he will have to comply to GDPR anyway. And as a small business like his, the stakes are not as huge as Google or FB…

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      1. Bruno Scheele  🌺‏ @brunoscheele May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        Yeah, that's tough. I'm reasonably sure small businesses that run ethically and sound actually have little to fear from the #GDPR. They're freaking out over here, but that's because their databases and processing is a convoluted mess. They have no idea what they have or not.

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      1. Emma Lilliestam‏ @emalstm May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        The US is of course considered to be a country where you can store your data. Remember Safe Harbour/Privacy Shield? They are bad agreements, but they clearly state, for pragmatic reasons, that the US is an accepted country to store the data.

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      1. Kirk Taylor‏ @kirktaylor May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        From my partner: http://www.stakereality.com/uncategorized/pro …•to•col/

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      1. Katia Munoz‏ @Katika_Munoz May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        It is deceiving to see how those behind #GDPR legislation did not fully consider the circumstances of #EU #SME's.

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      1. aleth gueguen‏ @pl4n3th May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        Appart from the 1st point : EU representative, which I also think is hard for small companies. All the other points are not true. This is complete misunderstanding of the GDPR. If you need help, DM me

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      1. Marcus Bointon‏ @SynchroM May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        That consent part is wrong. If you are talking to someone because they opened a DBInbox account, then you’re not using consent as the basis for talking to them, so it doesn’t apply.

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      1. Emma Lilliestam‏ @emalstm May 23
        Replying to @aral @DBinboxApp @PaulNemitz

        He seems to believe that he will have to pay 20 million dollars if he trespasses. That is simply not true. The actual number is 2% of his revenue.

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