@snurb_dot_info @aral Any thoughts on this document? https://docs.google.com/document/d/15YKeZFSUc1j03b4lW9YXxGmhYEnFx3TSy68qCrX9BEI/edit … cc @rasmus_kleis
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The core problem isn’t the access of academics to the data of people farming, it’s people farming. I find the focus to be in the wrong place when we look at a factory farm for human beings and instead of saying “that’s wrong”, we say, “we want a piece of the pie”. +
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I think that’s too simplistic, and the misleading analogy doesn’t help the argument. We need independent scholarly research to understand _what_ is wrong, and to suggest how it may be fixed. If we simply walk away from these platforms, the operators will do what they want.
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The operators do what they want already. You have zero algorithmic transparency into their operation. So, let’s: 1. Push for regulation of surveillance capitalists 2. Push for algorithmic transparency 3. Push for commons-based funding of decentralised alternatives
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Of course, with decentralised infrastructure, academics won’t have a rich, centralised treasure trove of data to use as they please. They’ll have to ask and get permission from every person involved in the study or have people opt in for studies… as it should be.
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(An extreme example to illustrate the point: you have 2 kidneys & can live with 1 but I cannot compel you to give one up even to save someone’s life. I can’t violate the boundaries of your person. Similarly, I‘ve no right to violate the non-biological boundaries of your person.)
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That’s another really poor analogy, sorry. First, digital data aren’t exclusive; they can be shared in a way a kidney can’t. Second, kidneys can’t be used in anonymised and aggregate form; data can. And that’s just two basic differences.
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Indeed; it is a fundamental trait of digital information that it can be copied. That doesn’t alter the ownership aspects. You have a human right to own & control data about you. Anonymised data is a myth _unless_ it is aggregate. I have nothing against aggregate data being used.
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