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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22

    Was looking at televisions today and saw that @sony’s Bravia televisions come with built-in surveillance courtesy of Google Android. Won’t be getting one of those then (shame, the picture quality and sound are amazing. But nothing’s worth having spyware in your living room).

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      1. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Anyone know how @panasonic televisions compare in terms of privacy? I read they use a Firefox OS variant (means nothing, of course, but at least it’s not Google Android TV). (The picture on the Panasonic OLEDs are rather amazing also.)https://twitter.com/aral/status/988156340853006336 …

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        Aral Balkan @aral
        Was looking at televisions today and saw that @sony’s Bravia televisions come with built-in surveillance courtesy of Google Android. Won’t be getting one of those then (shame, the picture quality and sound are amazing. But nothing’s worth having spyware in your living room).
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      2. Paulo Fierro‏ @plo Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Having owned a few of them, you don’t have to use Android TV at all. In fact apart from a few edge cases, it’s basically a glorified HDMI hub (with a great picture).

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22
        Replying to @plo @Sony

        So you don’t need to sign in to a Google account for basic operation?

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      4. Paulo Fierro‏ @plo Apr 23
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Correct, at least when I first set it up two Android TV versions ago. You can also sign out of the Google account and continue to use the TV. Alternatively disconnect it from WiFi if you don’t want to use the “Smart TV” features.

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 23
        Replying to @plo @Sony

        Cool. I’ll go fiddle with it in the store then and see if this model’s the same. Thanks :)

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      2. Marijke Luttekes‏ @MHLut Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Spyware *that you know of*. Which is unfortunately not the whole picture these days :(

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22
        Replying to @MHLut @Sony

        Indeed. The sewer runs deep and is multi-layered.

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      2. Darren McNaney‏ @DarrenMcNaney Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Aral, I’m thinking of getting a new TV soon so if you manage to find one that isn’t a surveillance nightmare I’d appreciate you letting us know the model!!!! 👍🏼

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22
        Replying to @DarrenMcNaney @Sony

        Will do. At this point, I’d settle for anything that doesn’t force an Internet connection + account sign in for basic operation.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Darren McNaney‏ @DarrenMcNaney Apr 23
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Thanks Aral. Good luck in your search. One very frustrating thing when looking at reviews of IoT tech is that these security aspects are rarely, if ever, considered in the evaluation.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Marius‏ @MariusdeBeer Apr 23
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Can't you just put the tv on it's own VLAN?

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 23
        Replying to @MariusdeBeer @Sony

        I’m not sure I want to go to any extra trouble after spending that sort of money. (Or support surveillance capitalists to begin with.)

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      4. Marius‏ @MariusdeBeer Apr 24
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        I understand your argument, my good sir. It is the same with mobile devices, operating systems, and so forth. You can't really trust anyone, can you?

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      2. omgbtc 🐧‏ @omgbtc Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Disable the network on it after updating, and use a third party streaming device of choice.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 22
        Replying to @omgbtc @Sony

        Can you get even to that pout without signing into a Google account?

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      4. omgbtc 🐧‏ @omgbtc Apr 23
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        I am not sure, but what are you concerned about leaking to Google in the time frame before you disable the network?

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      1. Catalyst One‏ @M1Catalyst Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Thx! Truly. Not sure you realize what a difference you make in our lives. V much appreciate all you do to get to the bottom of issues impacting our privacy and technology!

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      1. João Santos  👨🏻‍💻‏ @joaomvfsantos Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Good luck on that endeavor. Every 4K TV nowadays comes with the so called “smart tv” which one could also call “surveillance tv”.

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      1. Justin Nel‏ @Cyberlane Apr 22
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Could you not just disable the nonsense in there? I have a Samsung tv which was designed to record everything I said and upload that. I removed that sensor and capability, leaving me with a regular tv. It’s effort we shouldn’t need to do, but it’s hard to avoid, it seems.

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      2. e l o u a n‏ @l1twit Apr 23
        Replying to @aral @Sony

        Actually *any* connected tv is a problem with buggy unupdated software. This is a hazard waiting to be hacked to gain acces to your home (and live). Not to mentionned hbbtv holes.

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      3. e l o u a n‏ @l1twit Apr 23
        Replying to @l1twit @aral @Sony

        Oh an wait till the next dickhead believe your tv should be connected to the blockchain for drm purpose. Actually i am pretty sure someone somewhere must be scaming an ico on this.

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