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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 11

    Aral Balkan Retweeted Richard Pope

    How about a setting that reads: “Private (from everyone, including Facebook, Inc.)” That’s easy to understand. Why don’t we implement that? What? It would make Facebook go bankrupt? Oh. So this isn’t a UI design issue at all then, is it? It’s a business model design issue.https://twitter.com/richardjpope/status/983961784712355840 …

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    Richard Pope @richardjpope
    Thoughts reading Facebook tweets: We still need more research into what permissions UI people actually understand (if any) and we still need new orgs to monitor the UI choices of significant platforms. https://blog.memespring.co.uk/2015/02/27/permissions/ …
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      2. Sandro Hawke‏ @sandhawke Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        How would you feel about a social media app that kept a record of what you did with it as securely as possible in app storage on your phone? Is that okay? Can it then look at that data, still on your phone, for ad targeting? What if app is open source? What if app by FB?

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Apr 11
        Replying to @sandhawke

        All OK except the last one as long as all data and algorithms stay on the device under lock and I am the only one with the key. I know a couple of projects that are taking this path. Re: FB: if it ceased all other business, not as a “and this also”. It can’t and won’t.

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      4. Matthew Hardeman‏ @mdhardeman Apr 11
        Replying to @aral @sandhawke

        One problem with this mechanism is that one of the key things advertisers like to target is one of a number of types of analysis-derived "ideological bends" of clusters of people, which requires being able to analyze the extended social connection map.

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      2. Jake Rayson‏ @growdigital Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        Private, from everyone. *that* is what we should legislate for. But yes, there’s vast and vested economic interests stacked against this.

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      3. Juergen  🇪🇺‏ @jnievele Apr 11
        Replying to @growdigital @aral

        Private from EVERYONE would be rather pointless for social media - you need to allow the intended audience to read it, at least...

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      4. Jake Rayson‏ @growdigital Apr 11
        Replying to @jnievele @aral

        I think that's private as in "not being tracked"

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      5. Juergen  🇪🇺‏ @jnievele Apr 11
        Replying to @growdigital @aral

        But you want your followers to be able to track you :-) "Private just to the intended audience" would be the best way to describe it - but of course a lot of stuff is shared to the public.

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      1. Richard Pope‏ @richardjpope Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        If design sector had better research on how much you can reasonably expect the UI to do in terms of permissions, and we had orgs looking for the worst offenders, then it be *easier* to make the business model argument.

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      1. colin‏ @fuknbollocks Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        Absolutely spot on. If it’s free to use, the organisation must monetise the platform in other ways. That other way is not advertising, but the bulk onsell of the data collected. I don’t understand why people can’t see this.

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      2. M. Fioretti‏ @mfioretti_en Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        Q: "Why don't we implement that?" A: (also) because we would have no way to be sure that such a setting is actually respected by Facebook servers

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      3. Nils 'ban nazis now' Thenhausen‏ @darkcton Apr 11
        Replying to @mfioretti_en @aral

        @whispeer encrypts everything that is not set to public so technically it is definitely possible.

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      4. M. Fioretti‏ @mfioretti_en Apr 11
        Replying to @darkcton @aral @whispeer

        1) thx for the link to @whispeer, I didn't know it. Will check it against my proposal http://per-cloud.com  2) my previous comment also refers to metadata, not just actual user-generated content. On centralized platforms how can THOSE info be hidden to the platform itself?

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      1. Matthew Hardeman‏ @mdhardeman Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        Absolutely. The next part of this becomes, will the public be willing to forego what Facebook and its various properties bring them in order to have privacy again? If not, will they pay directly? If not, how does the public have its cake and eat it too? How do we get there?

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      1. Richard Pope‏ @richardjpope Apr 11
        Replying to @aral

        That’s not what that post (from 2015) is saying. Business models and incentives are *huge* part of the problem space too.

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