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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

    Aral Balkan Retweeted ./kaerF

    Right, so, let’s educate you, shall we? First off, do you mean (a) right libertarian or (b) left libertarian? (As these are entirely different things.) If you mean to imply that I’m right libertarian, you can fuck right off. If you mean left libertarian, guilty as charged…https://twitter.com/FreakkaerF/status/979200526624673792 …

    Aral Balkan added,

    ./kaerF @FreakkaerF
    Replying to @aral
    I’m calling your argument libertarian, made for cheap populist thrills.
    10:55 PM - 28 Mar 2018
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      2. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Next, let’s move onto to the next lesson: institutional corruption. Now listen up, because this is an important one. It concerns the corrupting influence of money. When organisation A (Mozilla) gets all of its money from organisation B (Google) that creates influence…https://twitter.com/aral/status/979235466330476545 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Right, so, let’s educate you, shall we? First off, do you mean (a) right libertarian or (b) left libertarian? (As these are entirely different things.) If you mean to imply that I’m right libertarian, you can fuck right off. If you mean left libertarian, guilty as charged… https://twitter.com/FreakkaerF/status/979200526624673792 …
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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        The thing is, if Google stops paying Mozilla ~ half a billion dollars/year, Mozilla goes bankrupt. In common parlance, this is referred to as Mozilla being Google’s bitch. But even if Mozilla wasn’t entirely funded by surveillance capitalism, any funding would be influence…https://twitter.com/aral/status/979236018665730049 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Next, let’s move onto to the next lesson: institutional corruption. Now listen up, because this is an important one. It concerns the corrupting influence of money. When organisation A (Mozilla) gets all of its money from organisation B (Google) that creates influence… https://twitter.com/aral/status/979235466330476545 …
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      4. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Now look at how Mozilla positions itself: a not-for-profit working to protect privacy, human rights, & democracy in the digital age. Hmm, and it gets all its money from one of the biggest threats to privacy, human rights, & democracy in the digital age. Can you say “whitewash?”https://twitter.com/aral/status/979236834046894080 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        The thing is, if Google stops paying Mozilla ~ half a billion dollars/year, Mozilla goes bankrupt. In common parlance, this is referred to as Mozilla being Google’s bitch. But even if Mozilla wasn’t entirely funded by surveillance capitalism, any funding would be influence… https://twitter.com/aral/status/979236018665730049 …
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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        What if Greenpeace got half a billion dollars from Exxon Mobil every year and would go bankrupt if it couldn’t get paid by the fossil fuel industry. Would you be as naïvely trusting of it too? And the issue of institutional corruption goes far beyond Mozilla…https://twitter.com/aral/status/979237747796869120 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Now look at how Mozilla positions itself: a not-for-profit working to protect privacy, human rights, & democracy in the digital age. Hmm, and it gets all its money from one of the biggest threats to privacy, human rights, & democracy in the digital age. Can you say “whitewash?” https://twitter.com/aral/status/979236834046894080 …
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      6. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Institutional corruption is the reason we cannot regulate toxic corporations effectively. The same influence of corporate finance that taints Mozilla also taints public policymaking via lobbying and revolving doors.https://twitter.com/aral/status/979238418122190848 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        What if Greenpeace got half a billion dollars from Exxon Mobil every year and would go bankrupt if it couldn’t get paid by the fossil fuel industry. Would you be as naïvely trusting of it too? And the issue of institutional corruption goes far beyond Mozilla… https://twitter.com/aral/status/979237747796869120 …
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      7. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        In the Brussels bubble, for example, it’s hard – in the words of Orwell – to differentiate the pigs from the humans sometimes.https://twitter.com/aral/status/979239312834334721 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Institutional corruption is the reason we cannot regulate toxic corporations effectively. The same influence of corporate finance that taints Mozilla also taints public policymaking via lobbying and revolving doors. https://twitter.com/aral/status/979238418122190848 …
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      8. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 28

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Given that institutional corruption is an existential risk to democracy, to have a @Piratenpartei MEP’s assistant label criticism of it as “libertarianism” is either the product of extreme naïveté or, quite frankly, both highly baffling and hugely worrying. Class dismissed.https://twitter.com/aral/status/979240643036884992 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        In the Brussels bubble, for example, it’s hard – in the words of Orwell – to differentiate the pigs from the humans sometimes. https://twitter.com/aral/status/979239312834334721 …
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      9. End of conversation
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      2. Camilo Rodríguez‏ @CamiloGuezRodri Mar 29
        Replying to @aral

        As much as I agree with you on Mozilla & the rest of the Google/fb/Uber/airbnb/Microsoft, etc., funded privacy advocates like access now & those attending RightsCon for their piece of the pie, I'd like to see you walk in to the Cato Institute and look for your fellow "leftists".

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      3. Mark David Blafkin‏ @mblafkin Mar 29
        Replying to @CamiloGuezRodri @aral

        For the purposes of this discussion, I think you’re better off separating between Libertarians (Cato and Mercatus) and civil libertarians (ACLU and EFF). You will find plenty of left-leaning folks among the civil libertarian crowd.

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      4. Camilo Rodríguez‏ @CamiloGuezRodri Mar 29
        Replying to @mblafkin @aral

        You are right, that is a fact. But as said, the dicussion is political and has to be conceptually grounded, with the precisions this demands. The fact that we are largely speaking about American politics, gives me the first clue to addressing this debate and the notion of "left".

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      5. Mark David Blafkin‏ @mblafkin Mar 29
        Replying to @CamiloGuezRodri @aral

        Apologies, since we were using the US-based Cato as the basis for comparison, I used other American orgs. That said, Kaer either has no idea what “libertarian” means or just using as generic smear as @Aral argument re: Mozilla/Google/FB had nothing to do with it

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      6. Camilo Rodríguez‏ @CamiloGuezRodri Mar 29
        Replying to @mblafkin @aral

        Yes, I ge the nuances there. I was provoked by the notion of "leftist" libertarian, not the more obvious Mozilla whitewash comment. But these are interestingly intersecting topics, when you think about how privacy advocates politicize tech, vs someone like Morozov, for example.

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      7. Mark David Blafkin‏ @mblafkin Mar 29
        Replying to @CamiloGuezRodri @aral

        That is a truly fascinating intersection of debate. Don’t always agree with him, but Morozov is brilliant & for years asked questions nobody else was. FWIW -I lean toward the only American branch of philosophy, Pragmatism, and have an allergy to strict ideologies.

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      1. poly "learn julia" tomous‏ @polytomous Mar 28
        Replying to @aral

        wew lad since when is someone calling out surveillance capitalism something that a right libertarian would do? surveillance voluntarily solicited through EULA doesn't violate the NAP. christ, are libertarians all shittier now? (t. former very serious read everything ancap)

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      2. ./kaerF‏ @FreakkaerF Mar 28
        Replying to @aral

        I am not sure, let’s ask you some questions right back to determine that. Would you argue any payment corrupts Mozilla (we’re not talking theory, you’re making very concrete accusations), regardless of their actions?

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      3. Ivan Frantar‏ @ifrantar Mar 29
        Replying to @FreakkaerF @aral

        Your money and 100 millions others money like you wouldn’t corrupt Mozilla. 1 only powerful entity giving you the money for your existence, they can do whatever they see fit with Mozilla. They would impose Mozilla their own concept of privacy. It’s just simple math and economics.

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