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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 26

    Aral Balkan Retweeted Kristoffer Lindvall

    A corporation doesn’t need to profile me to tailor for my needs; my phone can do that without communicating my data to anyone else (just put the algorithms on the devices). “We must profile you to provide a personalised experience” is simply a lie. #SurveillanceCapitalismhttps://twitter.com/krislindvall/status/978514918273101824 …

    Aral Balkan added,

    Kristoffer Lindvall @krislindvall
    Replying to @aral
    In your opinion, is the main issue the profiling or the exploitation? Are there nuances? What about profiling a larger population to tailor to their needs?
    11:48 PM - 26 Mar 2018
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      2. Björn Schießle  🇪🇺‏ @schiessle Mar 27
        Replying to @aral

        @krislindvall i agree in general and in many cases this would be possible. But there are also many use cases where algorithms need more data than just your own. E.g. to detect a traffic jam on the way to your work and estimate the time you will need.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 27
        Replying to @schiessle @krislindvall

        Right, so let’s separate data about the world with data about people. Data about the world should belong to the commons, data about people to people. X Corp doesn’t need to know where you live or work to tell you when you’ll get from one to the other.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Björn Schießle  🇪🇺‏ @schiessle Mar 27
        Replying to @aral @krislindvall

        i agree, but the lines might blur. E.g. in order to enable google maps to detect a traffic jam, movement data from many smart phones on the track are needed. It might be possible to collect and use this information in a privacy friendly way, but it is just one example.

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      5. Björn Schießle  🇪🇺‏ @schiessle Mar 27
        Replying to @schiessle

        Another example would be speech recognition. You need a lot of training data to make it work. If everyone has to train it's own devices this might not work. There might be ways to provide the training data in a privacy friendly way, but again a example where it is not that easy

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      6. Björn Schießle  🇪🇺‏ @schiessle Mar 27
        Replying to @schiessle

        To finish with a positive example. I have a smartwatch syncing all data only with my smartphone thanks to Gadgetbridge and in the future maybe with my Nextcloud. That's a example where "keeping data only for yourself" works great.

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      1. Goran‏ @gpeuc Mar 26
        Replying to @aral

        Or even better - don’t tailor stuff for me! There’s actual value in serendipity of discovering things that are outside my preferred bubble. Maybe I would be interested in that book, but since targeted marketing is only echo chambering me, I will never see it.

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      1. Mugunth Kumar ‏ @mugunthkumar Mar 27
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        100% agree. A video service showing an ad related to the video being watched is a whole lot acceptable than one that shows ads relevant to the person watching.

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      2. Walter van Holst‏ @whvholst Mar 27
        Replying to @aral

        Time to make "edge computing" the new hip thing.

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      3. Chris Cook‏ @cjenscook Mar 27
        Replying to @whvholst @aral

        I've been saying for 15 years the next-generation web will be people-centric/subject-oriented. We are now seeing a transition from a capital intensive intermediated transaction economy to a (smart) capital lite services economy. Intellectual capital is replacing finance capital

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      4. Walter van Holst‏ @whvholst Mar 27
        Replying to @cjenscook @aral

        Not so sure about that. We have had a different balance between labour and capital since the Black Death, AI and automation may reverse that.

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      5. Chris Cook‏ @cjenscook Mar 27
        Replying to @whvholst @aral

        Good point. I think finance capital as we know it (debt, equity, property & money as objects) will be superseded by new (actually ancient) open institutions & instruments which will frame a services economy

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