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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20

    Aral Balkan Retweeted i make stuff

    Hate to rain on your parade but “delete” is a flag on Facebook. By deleting your posts, you’re setting isDeleted=true. By unliking, you’re setting unLiked=true. By leaving a group… you get the idea. All those actions increase the size of your profile, they don’t decrease it.https://twitter.com/PlasterAndPixel/status/976020893402050560 …

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    i make stuff @PlasterAndPixel
    i locked down all app access a long time ago..now i'm clearing my posts, unliking and leaving groups. Facebook will be a shell holding just my email address for friends to contact me..and this picture has been around for a while, you were warned!! #DeleteFacebook pic.twitter.com/xI2yWxDohl
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      2. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        If you’re an EU citizen, you have the legal right to (a) ask for a copy of your data (b) tell Facebook to delete your account. But deleting things on Facebook doesn’t remove information from your profile. Data is Facebook’s primary asset, they don’t willingly destroy it.https://twitter.com/aral/status/976160596617031680 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Hate to rain on your parade but “delete” is a flag on Facebook. By deleting your posts, you’re setting isDeleted=true. By unliking, you’re setting unLiked=true. By leaving a group… you get the idea. All those actions increase the size of your profile, they don’t decrease it. https://twitter.com/PlasterAndPixel/status/976020893402050560 …
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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Also GDPR, if effectively enforced, will impact this in the EU. (HT @Si for the reminder)https://twitter.com/aral/status/976161822574247937 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        If you’re an EU citizen, you have the legal right to (a) ask for a copy of your data (b) tell Facebook to delete your account. But deleting things on Facebook doesn’t remove information from your profile. Data is Facebook’s primary asset, they don’t willingly destroy it. https://twitter.com/aral/status/976160596617031680 …
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      1. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20

        Aral Balkan Retweeted Aral Balkan

        Also, it will probably flag that you’re worried about your privacy and need to be reassured. The privacy dinosaur might start making more frequent visits. You’ll probably get added to a targeting group for “people who care about privacy” and start seeing related products in ads.https://twitter.com/aral/status/976160596617031680 …

        Aral Balkan added,

        Aral Balkan @aral
        Hate to rain on your parade but “delete” is a flag on Facebook. By deleting your posts, you’re setting isDeleted=true. By unliking, you’re setting unLiked=true. By leaving a group… you get the idea. All those actions increase the size of your profile, they don’t decrease it. https://twitter.com/PlasterAndPixel/status/976020893402050560 …
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      2. gazawia‏ @gazawia Mar 20
        Replying to @aral

        what about deactivating? i assume the data is all still there - but do you know if they still track through previously connected applications?

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20
        Replying to @gazawia

        They even track people who’ve never joined Facebook (look up shadow profiles).

        2 replies 1 retweet 13 likes
      4. gazawia‏ @gazawia Mar 20
        Replying to @aral

        this is insane

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20
        Replying to @gazawia

        Been sayin’ :)

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      2. J. S. Greenfield‏ @xfields Mar 21
        Replying to @aral @KDbyProxy

        The claim that deletion is just a flag directly contradicts Facebook's terms of service, which states that they lose their IP license to the content upon deletion, and that it is retained for only a short period of time pending actual deletion. What is the basis for your claim?

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 21
        Replying to @xfields @KDbyProxy

        https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/oct/20/facebook-fine-holding-data-deleted … (If you want to see the receipts, check out the documentary Terms and Conditions May Apply, where they go through the actual documents showing the flags.)

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      4. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 21
        Replying to @aral @xfields @KDbyProxy

        (Of course, ideally, we should be pushing for algorithmic transparency to see exactly how they’re processing data and what they’re doing with it at any given moment. Until then, we only have these little glimpses to go by and not much to go on to enforce regulations.)

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      5. J. S. Greenfield‏ @xfields Mar 21
        Replying to @aral @KDbyProxy

        At first blush, what's described in the article sounds consistent with their ToS: "This IP License ends when you delete your IP content or your account unless your content has been shared with others, and they have not deleted it."

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. J. S. Greenfield‏ @xfields Mar 21
        Replying to @xfields @aral @KDbyProxy

        Likely that they have implemented shared content, like messages, as single items in a db, associated with two users the message is between—and so unless both have deleted the message, can't delete it from their database. They can only mark that it shouldn't be shown to one user.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. J. S. Greenfield‏ @xfields Mar 21
        Replying to @xfields @aral @KDbyProxy

        If a user untags themselves from a photo, most likely it was somebody else's photo. In that case, recording the untagging would actually be necessary to prevent re-tagging of the photo.

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      8. J. S. Greenfield‏ @xfields Mar 21
        Replying to @xfields @aral @KDbyProxy

        So the examples cited sound consistent with both the ToS, and what would be required for the system to behave reasonably. It might disappoint users to find they cannot erase all their digital fingerprints from FB, but that's really no different from any other sharing technology.

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      2. Infosec @ random‏ @infosecatrandom Mar 20
        Replying to @aral

        The only thing you CAN do, is pollute your data.

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      3. i make stuff‏ @PlasterAndPixel Mar 20
        Replying to @infosecatrandom @aral

        what abouthttps://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-data-protection-regulation-gdpr/individual-rights/right-to-erasure/ …

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      4. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20
        Replying to @PlasterAndPixel @infosecatrandom

        Yep, I couldn’t fit it into the first tweet but mentioned it in the follow up. That _should_ work. I have no idea what enforcement/audits, if any, are carried out in practice.

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      5. i make stuff‏ @PlasterAndPixel Mar 20
        Replying to @aral @infosecatrandom

        Yes i can imagine a large company like FB would be very good at obfuscating if it wanted to and as you allude to, exactly who would follow it up :/

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      1. Mie Oehlenschläger‏ @MieOeh Mar 21
        Replying to @aral

        http://Ps.You  did rain on my parade!:)

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      1. Frank Louwers‏ @frank_be Mar 21
        Replying to @aral

        Starting May 25th, “delete” should mean “delete” for EU citizens #gdpr

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