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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20

    Ethical design begins with the design of the organisation. • How is it funded? • What is its business model? (How does it make money?) If the answers are, respectively, “venture capital” &/or “monetising data”, we can’t even begin to speak of ethically designing the products.

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      2. The Angry Dane‏ @mbonde Mar 20
        Replying to @aral

        Doesn't it matter which data the organisation is monetising? Big difference btw FB & an org using (own) data to improve its processes!

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 20
        Replying to @mbonde

        My comment is about organisations that monetise other people’s data; in other words, the business model of mainstream technology today.

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      2. Carrick‏ @carrickdb Mar 20
        Replying to @aral @AllBetzAreOff

        But like, aren’t 99% of tech start-ups funded by VCs at some point?

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      3. Nathaniel Eliot‏ @temujin9 Mar 20
        Replying to @carrickdb @aral @AllBetzAreOff

        Yep. I disagree with the absolutism: I think we must still discuss ethical designs under capitalism. Refusing to do so is abdicating responsibility, awaiting a better day that isn't coming anytime soon. At the same time, he's right: VC and data mining do not make it easy.

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      4. Mickie Betz‏ @AllBetzAreOff Mar 20
        Replying to @temujin9 @carrickdb @aral

        Well put @temujin9, and I think ethical design conversations are especially crucial under those conditions, exactly because they are at odds

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral Mar 21
        Replying to @AllBetzAreOff @temujin9 @carrickdb

        Discuss it under capitalism, by all means but not under unethical business models. If the business model of your corporation is to monetise data, you’re not practicing design but decoration: “how do we make our factory farm palatable to the livestock we farm so they don’t bolt?”

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      1. Nicole Commander‏ @nicolecommander Mar 20
        Replying to @aral

        I would also add any business model that prays on the less fortunate (eg pay day loans) and encourages addictions (casinos, gambling apps).

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