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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017

    Aral Balkan Retweeted Martyn Evans

    Martyn, As an educator, I’m very disappointed to see you pushing design students to intern at a company with an unethical, surveillance-based business model where they will learn to decorate that unethical core, manipulate behaviour, and manufacture addiction. #ethics #designhttps://twitter.com/martyn_evans/status/937567011424653312 …

    Aral Balkan added,

    Martyn Evans @martyn_evans
    Paid internship at Facebook for product designers. https://m.facebook.com/careers/university/fbudesign …
    10:43 PM - 3 Dec 2017
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      2. Harry O’Brien‏ @harry_j_obrien 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Ohhh man, if you’re this fired up about Facebook’s ethics toward human well-being, just wait til you hear about these companies called Coca-Cola, Nestle, and Walmart.

        1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @harry_j_obrien

        Yes, capitalism is fucked up. Your point is?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Harry O’Brien‏ @harry_j_obrien 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        I’ll probably come off sounding like a shill for FB here, which is, whatever. But Zuckerberg seems much more engaged & willing to deal w/ the privacy & consumer monitoring issues that u bring up. The corporations I listed have long been guilty of plugging their ears to criticism.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @harry_j_obrien

        Facebook’s business model is based on privacy violation. They cannot “fix” that without going bankrupt. I say fix in quotes because, as far as they’re concerned, nothing is broken. They make a lot of money violating your privacy.

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Erik Jonker‏ @ErikJonker 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        But then nobody should have an internship at Google , Facebook or Amazon ? I don't think it will help change with regard to their practices.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ErikJonker

        I’d love to see how a couple of interns (or anyone else) will change the business model of a hugely successful multi billion dollar company.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Erik Jonker‏ @ErikJonker 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        i was just wondering if boycotting is the best way to change bad practices, maybe it is, but then i know many other industries where you shouldn't have an internship

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @ErikJonker

        Brain drain is, definitely. If they become socially unacceptable (already starting to happen), they will have trouble employing the best of the best. Otherwise, regulating their abuses (already starting to happen) + funding/creating ethical alternatives (very early stages).

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Shiraz‏ @chickbazar 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Great point. Where students should intern instead? Any recommendations?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @chickbazar

        I feel there’s a missing resource for this… a list of ethical companies for design students to intern at. CC @trinefalbe

        2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
      4. Shiraz‏ @chickbazar 5 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral @trinefalbe

        Agree.

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      2. Martyn Evans‏ @martyn_evans 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Perhaps you should have prefaced your tweet with “In your opinion...”

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      3. Diogo Constantino‏ @DMConstantino 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @martyn_evans @aral

        This is not a matter of opinion. Those are facts. That is facebook business model. Soon part of it may also hopefully be illegal due to the GDPR and other soon to be european legislation.

        1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
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      1. Cindy-Lou Hinds‏ @ms_firecracker 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Sadly life is a pool of always finding the gullible fish that will take the bait. Corporate, political and all the way down to personal. Pattern of human behaviour doesn't lie and won't change

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      2. JM Mariano‏ @JulesMariano 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Virtually all businesses in the world now are like that sadly.

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      3. Andrea‏ @sovesove 3 Dec 2017
        Replying to @JulesMariano @aral

        Except those who aren’t

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