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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017

    If you’re wondering how some security/infosec folks could care so little about privacy & defend companies like Google & Facebook, listen up:

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      2. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Privacy and security are interrelated concepts but they’re not one and the same.

        2 replies 5 retweets 17 likes
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        You can have excellent security without any privacy. And, while harder, you can even have privacy without security. Let me explain:

        3 replies 8 retweets 11 likes
      4. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Google has excellent security. They employ the best security experts. And yet, when you use their services, you have absolutely no privacy.

        3 replies 34 retweets 32 likes
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Everything you do when you use Google’s services is tracked, stored, and analysed by Google, Inc.

        1 reply 7 retweets 7 likes
      6. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        All that information is kept very safe from anyone else because, like any other business, Google has an interest in keeping its assets safe.

        1 reply 4 retweets 9 likes
      7. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        How about privacy without security? Now that’s harder, but possible, through obscurity. (This is not something I recommend.) An example:

        1 reply 1 retweet 5 likes
      8. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        If you go out into the middle of nowhere and build a cabin, you will have privacy, even if you don’t have locks on the door (or even a door)

        1 reply 2 retweets 8 likes
      9. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        (But that only works until someone discovers your cabin.)

        1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
      10. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Pragmatically, then, we can say that lack of security can negatively impact your privacy but excellent security doesn’t imply privacy.

        2 replies 5 retweets 15 likes
      11. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        To bring it all back: so why don’t some security/infosec folks care about your privacy? It’s because they’re working in security.

        2 replies 7 retweets 8 likes
      12. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        And if they work for Google, Facebook, etc., what they’re tasked with securing isn’t your privacy; it’s the assets of these corporations.

        3 replies 9 retweets 14 likes
      13. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        (Which is what you and your data are.) End thread.

        2 replies 7 retweets 16 likes
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      2. harryhalpin‏ @harryhalpin 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Privacy requires security, o/w not only can Google and Facebook track you, ANYONE can track you. Privacy via obscurity is nonsense.

        3 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @harryhalpin

        Good summary of the thread :) I specifically said I don’t recommend privacy via obscurity; just that it’s possible.

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      4. harryhalpin‏ @harryhalpin 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        The problem is we don't have a good definition of privacy as such (minus maybe Dwork), as opposed to security (Goldwasser-Micali)

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @harryhalpin

        Privacy is having the power to decide what you share with others and what you keep to yourself.

        1 reply 14 retweets 5 likes
      6. harryhalpin‏ @harryhalpin 28 Mar 2017
        Replying to @aral

        The long-standing problem is how to divvy up 'individual' info you can control sharing over vs. social info that shared by definition

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      1. Moira Velasquez‏ @AlouOraelosi 28 Mar 2017
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        logged out of Facebook. Deactivated your account? You're still tracked. Deleted your account? You're still tracked. And monetized.

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      1. Moira Velasquez‏ @AlouOraelosi 28 Mar 2017
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        That's on one hand. OTOH, private data is a trillion $ business. Facebook has thousands of B2B relationships with other companies...

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      1. Saml Patrck Jffrson‏ @SPJffrson 28 Mar 2017
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        One simply cannot choose to go out into public and remain private doing so. ILLOGICAL.

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