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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017

    So Twitter sees criticism of ideas (religions) as abuse, @jack? Please feel free to report me: Fuck Islam Fuck Christianity Fuck Judaismpic.twitter.com/ZPi8TuFvzt

    12:20 AM - 10 Jan 2017
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      2. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        You are allowed to hate harmful ideas. In fact, morality demands it.

        4 replies 3 retweets 12 likes
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        When we conflate protecting people with protecting ideas, we fail to protect people from those ideas that seek to harm them.

        2 replies 8 retweets 16 likes
      4. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        e.g., You can’t protect people from prosecution based on their orientations without criticising religions that label them for prosecution.

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Twitter is wrong (& punching down by siding with religious privilege) by encouraging criticism of religions (ideas) to be reported as abuse.

        0 replies 3 retweets 13 likes
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      2. Sibylle Weber‏ @sibweber 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        Not criticism–hate. There's a difference. Should state hate in general though, not just in those contexts.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @sibweber

        You are allowed to hate ideas that deserve to be hated. The problem here is conflating ideas and people, not criticism and hate.

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      4. Sibylle Weber‏ @sibweber 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        You need to change people's minds, and you're not going to achieve that by spewing hate or offending them.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @sibweber

        Indeed. However, hating a thing is a prerequisite to battling it. If we didn’t hate inequality we would not battle for equality.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. Sibylle Weber‏ @sibweber 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        I guess it depends on one's interpretation of the word hate. In my mind, a person who hates, is no longer capable of rational behavior

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Simon Wehr‏ @simonwehr 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        you can do better than yelling fuck […], don’t you think? I do!

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @simonwehr @jack

        That was an example of me violating the current rules. I just directed hate against three major ideologies (religions).

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Simon Wehr‏ @simonwehr 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral

        you naughty boy, you! I sometimes cross the street at red lights, just to break a rule ;-)

        0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
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      2. Jack Sheppard‏ @madebysheppard 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        Directing hate towards someone because of their religion, is abuse. Whether you agree with their religion or not.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @madebysheppard @jack

        Exactly. The form isn't worded in that way though (key missing words "someone (person) … because of"

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      4. Jack Sheppard‏ @madebysheppard 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        'People' is definitely missing from these statements. But it is equally abusive to direct hate towards a group because of [x].

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      1. Simon Wehr‏ @simonwehr 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        directing hate ≠ criticism. First is unproductive and in my op. not legit, the other is needed (and allowed by twitter).

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      1. Eleftherios Kosmas‏ @elkos 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @joshypants @aral

        the definition of religions is also a bit vague, one man's religion can be the other man

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      1. Woj Naw‏ @wojnaw 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        Finally someone saying this out loud!

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      1. Brett‏ @LvL99Bard 10 Jan 2017
        Replying to @aral @jack

        http://Reddit.com  also does this

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