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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015

    So, basically, unit testing is broken in Xcode for Swift. What are you all doing? Marking everything public? (*shudder*)

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      2. Martin Pilkington‏ @pilky 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @aral

        @aral Using Objective-C ;)

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @pilky

        @pilky But… but… I. Can’t. Go. Back. (Too soon to feel that way? Maybe I should for bits.)

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      4. Martin Pilkington‏ @pilky 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral I used it for a few days before realising it won't be ready for at least a few years, and went straight back to Obj-C

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @pilky

        @pilky Argh, it just seems like everything I need right now is “unavailable”—NSMethodSignature being the latest.

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      6. Joseph Lord - Brexit means "vassalage [or] chaos"‏ @jl_hfl 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral @pilky have you seen this post on Apple's Swift blog: https://developer.apple.com/swift/blog/?id=19 …

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      7. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @jl_hfl

        @jl_hfl I hadn’t; thank you — *goes to read it* :) +@pilky

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      2. ./orta‏ @orta 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral yeah, public all the things. https://github.com/artsy/eidolon/commit/82dad0aa11c5a405f0e45362fdc7071cbe4f6d9c …

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @orta

        @orta Hah, yes :)

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      2. toto‏ @mrtoto 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @aral

        @aral It's not the only thing that's broken in Swift ATM. Try debugging mixed ObjC/Swift code. IMHO Swift is not ready for production yet.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @mrtoto

        @mrtoto Trying to keep as much in Swift as I can but not always practical. Thankfully haven’t run up against anything yucky there yet…

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      2. Ivo Jansch‏ @ijansch 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral for private methods I like this approach: http://www.quora.com/Should-you-unit-test-private-methods-on-a-class …

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
        Replying to @ijansch

        @ijansch Yeah, agree on (not) testing private methods; big fan of BDD, but marking everything explicitly public just for testing feels wrong

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      2. Joachim Bondo‏ @osteslag 19 Jan 2015
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        @aral I’m no unit test expert, so, why would you want to test your private API? That’s just implementation detail.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 20 Jan 2015
        Replying to @osteslag

        @osteslag Indeed, your public tests should test that. My issue is more with having to declare access control on everything whereas…

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      2.  🏳️‍🌈 André Wendt‏ @awendt 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral Have you seen this? http://stackoverflow.com/q/24994593 

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 18 Jan 2015
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        @awendt Yep — thanks :)

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      1. Tammo Freese‏ @tammofreese 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral If you see access to private/internal parts as a requirement for unit testing, then yes, it's broken.

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      1. Joseph Lord - Brexit means "vassalage [or] chaos"‏ @jl_hfl 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral Add a public _test_normalFunctionName for each thing you want to expose that calls proper func. Types trickier, maybe public subclass.

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      1. Chris Leicester‏ @bigstilton 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral testing behaviour of class' public interface should be enough. Testing private implementation details makes tests more fragile.

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      1. Cyriel‏ @mindcrash 18 Jan 2015
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        @aral ... and the most likely solution is the D in SOLID.

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