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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 9 Dec 2013

    Today is a good day to remember that the level of NSA spying is made possible by the business models of Google, FB, & other ‘free services’.

    12:29 AM - 9 Dec 2013
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      2. Ted Han ★‏ @knowtheory 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @aral

        .@aral Even if Google & FB had always been pay services, the Feds would have still pwn'd all your shit.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @knowtheory

        @knowtheory If their business model had not been monetising data, there would be much less shit to pwn.

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      4. Ted Han ★‏ @knowtheory 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral Yeah, it's a pretty difficult thing to navigate i think. Should i not use mobile phones or email in general either?

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @knowtheory

        @knowtheory The solution isn’t to cut yourself off from the modern world. However, we can make tools that give people more control…

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      2. Iain Simpson‏ @iain_simpson 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral Disingenuous - it's made possible by technology; the fact that companies store data. The NSA can get at it, paid service or not.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @iain_simpson

        @iain_simpson Not at all disingenuous. Providing a free service that monetises user data is just *one business model* out of many.

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      4. Iain Simpson‏ @iain_simpson 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral It's disingenuous to suggest that their business models are an enabling factor, which is how I read your tweet. It helps, sure.

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      1. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @no_other_alias

        @no_other_alias At least Apple’s primary business model—unlike Google and Facebook’s—is not monetising user data.

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      1. Julien Genestoux‏ @julien51 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral @pgte To be honest, people pay for Verizon, ATT which are also used to spy us.

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      1. Laurian Gridinoc‏ @gridinoc 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral tell me more about the indiecloud

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      2. Wouter Danes‏ @wouterdanes 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral @sjoerdly And thus by human nature.. Business model of google / fb answers to the "all must be free" attitude of people.

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      3. Sjoerd Kranendonk  🤔 🙏🏼 🎶‏ @sjoerdly 9 Dec 2013
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        @wouterdanes @aral So basically we asked for it? Wy no mid-way like a paid account w/ all the cool features w/o the privacy issues?

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      4. Wouter Danes‏ @wouterdanes 9 Dec 2013
        Replying to @sjoerdly

        @sjoerdly @aral "People" (the 99%) actually care about their privacy way less than we think. Simple way to prove it: start charging USD 1 :)

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      1. Basexperience™.  🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿‏ @basexperience 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral apart from the fibre optic taps at GCHQ, of course. Those are outside that.

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      1. breakfast backstop agreement‏ @alexstapleton 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral It makes their job easier but don't doubt that it would happen at the same scale without their cooperation.

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      1. breakfast backstop agreement‏ @alexstapleton 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral Prism is a drop in the ocean of dragnet surveillance. (Those metaphors don't mix very well...)

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      1. Ted Han ★‏ @knowtheory 9 Dec 2013
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        .@aral No, it's not, solely. Remember the Feds are tapping fiber connections. Consumer companies like Google & FB aren't complicit in that.

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      1. Henning Hoyer‏ @ihazweb 9 Dec 2013
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        @aral +1 for that. But what about NSA wiretapping at carrier level? Wouldn't any networked service vulnerable to it, free or not?

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