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Aral Balkan
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I mainly post on my blog at https://ar.al  (RSS: https://ar.al/index.xml ) and interact on my Mastodon https://mastodon.ar.al . Please follow me there.

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    Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013

    Functional Reactive Programming in Objective-C: http://blog.maybeapps.com/post/42894317939/input-and-output … Seems to greatly obscure intent of the code for very little gain.

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      2. Mateusz Stawecki‏ @stawecki 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral what’s your opinion on reactive programming in front-end JS?

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @stawecki

        @stawecki I haven’t looked at any code. Got a link to a snippet/project?

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      4. Mateusz Stawecki‏ @stawecki 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral here’s a summary of “bacon.js” http://blog.flowdock.com/2013/01/22/functional-reactive-programming-with-bacon-js/ …

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @stawecki

        @stawecki Just read through it. It just doesn’t solve a problem I have. I value literate code with clear intent over yet another abstraction

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      6. Mateusz Stawecki‏ @stawecki 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral yup. I think the holy grail is managing exponential growth of complexity, but I don’t believe this is that helpful in the real world.

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      2. Justin Spahr-Summers‏ @jspahrsummers 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @_JordanArchived

        @jordanekay @aral @joshaber @jonsterling FRP can make your code a lot more declarative than it would be otherwise: https://github.com/joshaber/RACSignupDemo/blob/master/iOSDemo/IMMViewController.m …

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @jspahrsummers

        @jspahrsummers @jordanekay @joshaber @jonsterling Don’t get me wrong, it’s very clever; but the abstraction obscures the intent of the code.

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      4. Justin Spahr-Summers‏ @jspahrsummers 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral Have you taken a look at "When to use RAC" here? https://github.com/ReactiveCocoa/ReactiveCocoa/blob/master/Documentation/DesignGuidelines.md … @jordanekay @joshaber @jonsterling

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      5. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @jspahrsummers

        @jspahrsummers @jordanekay @joshaber @jonsterling Just did. Plain Cocoa versions are literate/easy to follow. RAC versions aren’t expressive

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      2. Martin Pilkington‏ @pilky 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral The aims of ReactiveCocoa are very good. I've tried to get into it several times, but I can't get over how complex it makes code feel

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @pilky

        @pilky The code I’ve seen is almost entirely devoid of intent. I don’t feel the added value of the abstraction is justified.

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      2. Danny Greg‏ @dannygreg 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral FRP is just a different style of programming to imperative. If all you’ve used is imperative languages, it won’t be obvious at first.

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      3. Aral Balkan‏ @aral 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @dannygreg

        @dannygreg Hey, whatever rocks your boat :) Not my cup of tea :)

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      4. Danny Greg‏ @dannygreg 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral For sure. Although it’s worth reading around the subject (FRP that is not just ReactiveCocoa). I’m certainly a convert.

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      1. Erik Tjernlund‏ @tjernlund 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral 1 normal line of Cocoa turned into 20 lines with all the syntactical beauty and readability of m4 macros? I’m not convinced.

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      1. Paul Betts  🏳️‍🌈‏ @paulcbetts 14 Feb 2013
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        @aral FRP complexity scales linearly, imperative scales exponentially

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      1. Paul Betts  🏳️‍🌈‏ @paulcbetts 14 Feb 2013
        Replying to @aral

        @aral It's often hard to see in examples though - you say "This is way easier in 'normal' code!". It is, till you get bigger.

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      1. Paul Betts  🏳️‍🌈‏ @paulcbetts 14 Feb 2013
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        @aral Intent in imperative UIs ends up spewed across the class, in various methods and callbacks. RAC lets you put related things together

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      1. Paul Betts  🏳️‍🌈‏ @paulcbetts 14 Feb 2013
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        @aral FRP makes the intent far more *clear* than in imperative programming, since you can describe it all in one place

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