I'm not super excited about the whole 'having to be conscious/ self-aware' thing so not forcing it on another. Seems cruel.
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Replying to @AdamSinger
That's anti-natalist sophistry. I've yet to see any of the serious promulgators of the view blow their brains out to undo the burden of consciousness.
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In our sheltered, untragic lives, children are the last thing that force you to become an adult. Without children (or serious hardship), humans themselves remain children. Which is why our bicoastal elite cities are largely populated by 18-year-olds of all ages.
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Replying to @antoniogm
Subjective take. I know plenty of older people with no children who are happy with that decision and very much 'adults'. Anyway there's 7 billion people now, the species is successful. There is no more burden on any single person to breed.
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They're far outnumbered by those who want to have kids, but can't, as our now-huge fertility industry attests. Also, they don't know what they're missing. Would you accept the opinion of the celibate on sex, or those who've never been in combat on war? No. Why accept theirs?
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Replying to @antoniogm @AdamSinger
The reason I'm so sure in my opinion is that I've been them, but they've not been me. There's total information asymmetry, and the childless basically have no idea what they're talking about (sorry, being auntie to some nephew every Thanksgiving doesn't count).
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Replying to @antoniogm @AdamSinger
I would have floated all these arguments myself, and in fact did years ago. Then I had unplanned children with a woman I barely knew (twice). I would never have made that conscious choice, but I accepted it when it happened, and it changed everything.
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Another formative experience was spending months inside a cancer unit watching my mother slowly die. Watched other people die in other rooms too. It was an entire mini-town of death. Sometimes the rooms were bustling and full of crying, heartbroken people, which was sad.
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The saddest rooms though were the empty ones, with one solitary, emaciated figure inside. Nobody came in or out but the nurses. I find it odd that so many people these days choose to end their days surrounded by cat litter and Chardonnay (or whatever), and then that empty room.
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But they probably don't think about it, because they're still children. Adulthood is when you finally--in a visceral not intellectual way--understand you're going to die. And unless you're a complete narcissist, that'll turn your thoughts to something else, something bigger.
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I was that same narcissist myself. I still would be had the 'accidents' not happened. Most of my life has been failures and bad strokes of luck, but the children are about the only thing I could call a blessing. Only thing I'll think about when it's my turn in the room.
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Replying to @antoniogm
I am glad you are fulfilled man, I truly am. Just remember everyone has diff path, and for sure not accurate that not breeding makes you a narcissist so don't sweat that part as you look around...
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