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Writer at @WIRED. Author of NYT bestseller 'Chaos Monkeys'. Formerly @Facebook, @YCombinator, @GoldmanSachs. Yes, I live on a boat and in a yurt. 🇺🇸🇪🇸

Orcas Island, WA
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    Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Nov 2

    "A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome's decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars."

    10:33 AM - 2 Nov 2018 from Washington, USA
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      2. Jon Evans‏Verified account @rezendi Nov 2
        Replying to @antoniogm

        Gibbon?

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      3. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Nov 2
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        Durant. I had his 'Lessons of History' recommended recently, so was checking out his rap sheet. Apparently one of this most quoted passages.

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      4. Jon Evans‏Verified account @rezendi Nov 2
        Replying to @antoniogm

        On reflection several of those phrases are pretty atemporal for Gibbon, who wouldn't have known a class struggle if it turned up on his doorstep with pitchforks and torches. (He has an entertaining cameo in BOSWELL'S LIFE OF JOHNSON iirc, on which I am basing this claim.)

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      5. Colby Cosh‏ @colbycosh Nov 2
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        CAPTAIN Gibbon would surely have understood class struggle, having trained to possibly bear arms and command men in one. He just wouldn’t have known of the phrase.

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      2. Xdffrt‏ @Xdffrt2 Nov 2
        Replying to @antoniogm

        Didn't the class struggle in Rome end with the rise of Augustus? Neither see the correlation or causation with decline and "class struggle". Decline began after seceding land to the goths following adrianopole, hundreds of years later.

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      3. Xdffrt‏ @Xdffrt2 Nov 2
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        And with the rise of Christianity, Romes moral picture was improving at the time of decline. Banning of gladiatorial games, animal sacrifice etc.

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      2. Sean van der Lee‏ @SeanvanderLee Nov 2
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        Leading indicator: mystery religions

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      3. dǝɔonsʇɹnɔʇǝd ɟǝɯɐlǝ‏ @missingasock Nov 2
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        Taking care of pious ppl cost a lot.

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      1. Orpheas K. Katsikis‏ @orpheaskk Nov 3
        Replying to @antoniogm

        Durant, however, refers to the Western part of the Roman Empire. The Eastern part survived for 1.000 years more (until 1453), struggling with similar issues, but still managing to produce significant works of art and culture.

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      1. Xdffrt‏ @Xdffrt2 Nov 2
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        And "failing trade" is a new one for me. If you mean grain deliveries from North Africa were reduced because vandals had cut them off, that's one thing. But it seems like a strained allusion to current political events. Maybe I'm reading into it.

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      1. Chad Cressley‏ @TaoOfChadC Nov 2
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        And, there were still opportunities Rome could have saved itself.

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      1. ryan millennials‏ @fakeryanmills Nov 2
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        Have you seen a good comparison of Roman decline to American decline? I think it all the time, but haven’t seen a good piece on it

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