Harold Bloom is right & Moldbug is wrong. The "American Faith" of a unitarian antinomian gnosticism is rooted in the 18th century & not the 17th. "Blaming the Puritans" is its foundation, & the "ultracalvinist hypothesis" is completely wrong.
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Yeah, but it's under their own paradigm of puritanism being bad- he's operating in their symbolic universe, of the 18th century
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Right. The badness of puritanism is a grounding assumption of the conversation, not a conclusion. And the question of 17th vs 18th Century puritanism not terribly important.
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I disagree completely.
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Well, maybe you're not an "open-minded progressive"?
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I understand that he tailored his argument to suit them- but it doesnt excuse the followers who bemoan "damn prots" for everything.
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Using his atheist arguments in a Catholic vs Protestant dispute is indeed a bit weird.
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False reasoning even for rhetorical reasons isnt a free pass and constitutes an opening for any middle of the road-er doing fact checking
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Just a reminder: Moldbug associates his project with cameralism because 'the science of administration' sounds cool but is so ignorant of the primary sources he doesnt know that it was a movement that was well known for being fraudulent and full of conmen.
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Moldbug is doing engineering, not science.
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Lol you are aware that the cameralists date far back enough for 'the science of God' to be how they talked about theology?
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a) moldbug doesnt do any engineering what so ever. At best spit balling (which has its own benefits) b) moldbug didnt do any neocameralism, he just named it for when he wanted to (nick land does the same thing c) the word science is very old
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The relationship between science and engineering is an important subject of dispute. Valid science usually proceeds from engineering, but the reverse is frequently assumed.
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But yes, the engineering is at a "tinkering in my garage" level, not the Manhattan project.
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Or an admixture like 40 yr church construction projects
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