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Neoreactionary. Techno-traditionalist. Breeder.

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    1. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 30
      Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      It has to be faster and cheaper by about an order of magnitude. You should be able to try someone for a crime the day after you arrest them. The system is so loaded down with safeguards it can't operate.

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    2. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
      Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

      okay, but what does this look like in practice?

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    3. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
      Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      Probably a lot more like the courts before the 1960s. A lot more discretion for judges, a lot less mandatory procedures that have to be followed. My mother's job (back in the 1980s) was pre-sentencing social enquiry reports.

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    4. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
      Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

      I agree that there are too many formalities which judges are forced to observe. That said, the huge costs associated with trials have given rise to our plea-bargain regime, which I imagine is more efficient than any sort of trial, no matter how efficient.

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    5. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
      Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      We don't have plea-bargaining to the same extent in Britain. It seems like it has the tendency to become more unjust over time as prosecutors learn to manipulate it. The safeguards that have been added to trials are counterproductive if that's the outcome.

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    6. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
      Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

      Admitting guilt over 'disturbing the peace' seems like a small price to pay to avoid a hate speech conviction. Anyways, 'efficient justice' is having your cake and eating it too. Plea-bargaining strikes as good a balance as anything.

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    7. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
      Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      There's a tradeoff in principle between justice and efficiency. My position is that the system is so inefficient that injustices appear as a result. Plea-bargaining would be an example of that. Long times spent on remand are another.

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    8. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
      Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

      plea-bargaining is a response to a felt necessity. i'm losing the plot here, but my main point was that, in the criminal context, the judicial system is doing about as good as it can. i think the problems are, generally speaking, legislative in nature.

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    9. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
      Replying to @cultofunreason @anomalyuk @Outsideness

      as for the demographic-precondition issue, I'd rather have the chance to plea-bargain (because of high trial costs) than go up before an arbiter. Hell, I'd rather try my luck with unfriendly jurors than an unfriendly inquisitor.

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    10. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
      Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      Juries are a good idea if the people you live among are like you and have the same values as you. I think that's increasingly not the case. The high trial costs are the whole issue here. I'm saying bring them down, and be brutal about it if necessary.

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      anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
      Replying to @anomalyuk @cultofunreason @Outsideness

      If you can't bring them down, the only remaining response possible is to have fewer trials, and plea-bargaining is a reasonable way to do that. As I said, an order-of-magnitude reduction in cost is what is needed.

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        2. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
          Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

          My solution: cops bludgeon minor offenders, and let them walk.

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        3. anomalyuk‏ @anomalyuk May 31
          Replying to @cultofunreason @Outsideness

          Trials and juries and presumption of innocence are all good things, but they're not free, and if the state is no longer effective enough to be able to provide them while still maintaining order, then we lose them. Simple as that. Crying "muh rights" doesn't change anything.

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        4. Cult‏ @cultofunreason May 31
          Replying to @anomalyuk @Outsideness

          Of course, but given cultural realities I'd like to maintain them for as long as possible. Order gainz, by my calculus, aren't worth converting our criminal justice system to the universities' sexual assault-tribunal model.

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