show this to any coward who tries to defend the UK's tyrannical legal system #TommyRobinson #TommyRobinsonArrest #FreeTommyRobinsonpic.twitter.com/mEanbkpVzW
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If you were just wrong, (and I'm really talking to @xctlot here because he's OK and I follow him), I wouldn't care. People are wrong all the time.
But everyone can see you're wrong and therefore you are discrediting yourself and the cause you argue for.
if you can't see how unjust legal measures like this trample on freedom and are abused by authorities to prevent media coverage by figures like Tommy then you-"NRx" oh right. You don't value freedom.
It's true I'm not as attached to freedom as a primary principle as some others are. But here I'm arguing because you're damaging your case. If you can't even persuade people like @spikedonline or @Holbornlolz (who do value freedom), you're on a loser.
So what *I* "can see" isn't at all the point. Next time the establishment want to cover something up, they can just point and say "these are the loonies who thought that Tommy Robinson being done for contempt of court was an attack on free speech" and they will win.
you've never had freedom so you don't know what love for it looks like. it isn't carefully worded and legalistic tip toeing around technical definitions and avoiding minor errors because they might discredit us among people who are on the fence
its an intuitive, gut reaction against people who are clearly trying to shut you up and employing bullshit legalistic reasoning to justify their tyranny. I dont care if your laws say Tommy should go to jail. your laws are bullshit and anyone who defends them should take his place
The important part here is the moral claim, not the legal details of specifically why he is being punished.
Everyone pretty much agrees he "broke the law" and could have avoided going to jail; the point of contention is whether the law makes the UK a hellhole police state.
If the law meant that the state could hold secret trials and prevent them being reported, that would be a good argument. But it doesn't.
(Actually, there is a different law, regarding reporting of cases involving children, that does allow the state to cover up what it does, and that is horrific. But that doesn't affect this case)
Nothing is secret, everything can be reported, by journalists or by ordinary citizens, with just this restriction on publication during the trial itself, which is _universally_ and strictly applied, despite the piece you quoted saying that it isn't. This is general knowledge.
A pretty good test for police state is, if I fly to the UK in my position, can I be arrested, tried, and jailed before anyone finds out? Seems to be the case.
I'm pretty sure you can be jailed for contempt of court within an hour anywhere with an English-style legal system, including the US (though the details of what constitutes such contempt do differ). All such courts have very strong powers to protect themselves first.
The secrecy provisions are not unique to contempt proceedings. AFAICT I can be v& in secret as soon as I step off at Heathrow for words I've got on the internet.
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