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I get it that it may have not been everyone's cup of tea. However, it's a long time coming for del Toro to be recognized for his work. I personally was also rooting for "Get Out" however am stoked that it won for best screen writing.
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I definitely feel he had an Oscar coming at some point in his career. Personally, I feel some of his other movies deserved it more than this one.
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Very kind of you to give everyone permission to like a movie.
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Many of del Toro's work over the years has been about "us vs. them" theme. He tells of his experience about how growing up he felt as an outsider never belonging. He also draws from current political situations that are happening right now.
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I had completely the same reaction. And she didnt only mention his agency but his lack of personality. We never understand anything about his personal life and ideas aside from imprisonment. And how the MC kinda fetishised the fish man.
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Wouldn't you want a woman to fall madly in love with you? Because a man hating woman such as yourself could never care for a man
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You want diversity and when you get it you aren't happy? It's true, you truly can't make a feminist happy. Diversity of thought. The only diversity that matters!
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He tried to undress her first, and she rejected him, then changed her mind. I thought it was a clever way to present Beauty and the Beast as well as tackle the colonialist, often racist and homophobic message of 50s monster films.
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What gets me is that anyone can take anything you say seriously.
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I loved Shape of Water, but that's an excellent critical take. Hopefully next time the amazing fish people will have as much agency as the clever, plucky everyday people escaping their everyday lives.
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U just salty coz lady bird didn't win shit at the Oscars. Horrible movies usually don't.

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Interesting and thoughtful POV
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These guys have both played, and pretty much mastered, these types of roles respectively. Be great to see them move on to different things.
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I think the fish man could have set boundaries if he wasn't down with it.
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It takes a unique level of pessemessism to draw those things out of this story. I'm not a TSOW defender...wasn't a huge fan...but, coercion and obsessive? That's what you saw? No other possible motives or interpretations? Interesting window into your paradigm.
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It feels like it was directed by a horny manchild with no interest in nuance; totally fine to hate on it.
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