Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak·Apr 28, 2016Really interesting proof framework setup here. Set-theoretical operations on “experiment plots.”Quote TweetSean Carroll@seanmcarroll · Apr 28, 2016Provocative claim: "Single-world" interpretations of quantum theory cannot be self-consistent. http://arxiv.org/abs/1604.0742223
Steve Dekorte@stevedekorte·Apr 28, 2016@andy_matuschak note that this is no different that classical mechanics when you include the initial measurement error1
Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak·Apr 28, 2016@stevedekorte My understanding is that electron spin stochasticity is not explicable by classical initial measurement error. But IANAP. ;)2
Steve Dekorte@stevedekorte·Apr 28, 2016@andy_matuschak From what I recall, if you know complete state of system at any time, equations describe complete state over all time…1
Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak·Apr 28, 2016@stevedekorte The wave function can be known exactly, but using the wave fn to measure e.g. position is stochastic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_function#Definition_.28one_spinless_particle_in_1d.29…1
Steve Dekorte@stevedekorte·Apr 28, 2016@andy_matuschak The wave function of the complete system can be known? The complete system includes the thing doing the measuring.1
Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak·Apr 28, 2016@stevedekorte I don’t think that is true, but I’d need to reread some of my college textbooks to make the argument. :)1
Steve Dekorte@stevedekorte·Apr 28, 2016@andy_matuschak That what is true? That the complete state of the universe includes experimental physicists? :)1
Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschak·Apr 28, 2016@stevedekorte No, specifically that you can model the measurer of the exactly-known wave function and get an exactly-known wave function.1
Steve Dekorte@stevedekorte·Apr 28, 2016@andy_matuschak I don’t understand. Is the measurer some supernatural entity? Are people not made of the same kind of particles?1
Andy Matuschak@andy_matuschakReplying to @stevedekorte@stevedekorte I think the issue arises in composition, but I honestly can’t make an argument for it with my working knowledge.11:08 PM · Apr 28, 2016·Tweetbot for Mac