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Feb 7

Do you think spaced repetition is the state of the art of Learning in 2022? It is so 1950 :)

Maggie Appleton

@Mappletons

Just an example of what’s out in the wild. Slices of cake are the true state of the art.

Yes, cake, mine waiting for me with a hot mug of coffee. I'm a bit surprised beliefs and pseudo-science are propagating faster in the TFT community than evidence-based science. It seems contradictory to prove those tools enhance thinking. Or it's just about cults. Tfc :)

Maggie Appleton

@Mappletons

Tools for thought: science, design, art, craftsmanship? | Andy Matuschak on Patreon

Maybe too jaded, but I'm not surprised at the lack of evidence-based science in most product dev and TfT efforts? No established canonical bodies of knowledge, organised centres of learning, mentorship, shared terminology, etc. Appreciate Andy's thoughts:

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's patreon because he was on his own thinking, didn't engage and take suggestions. I told him about retrieval practice, never seen him change. There are tons of real scientific researchers why believing to an amateur? cuz he comes from software community?

Andy Matuschak

@andy_matuschak

I was curious what you wrote but a search turned up no comments/messages from you on Patreon (likely their bug!)—do you happen to remember what post you commented on?

Must have been around end of August 2020. Patreon don't let me go so far. Once you unsupport all archive is gone. I'm not sure if my feedback went as a comment on a post, a tweet or elsewhere.

my feedback was essentially asking why u are so focused on spaced repetition & didn't explore other ways like retrieval practice or generation. Was short. A few months later you explained (a post or talk) that you will engage more w/ your sponsors but I was on my way out anyway

Andy Matuschak

@andy_matuschak

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5:27 PM · Feb 8, 2022TweetDeck

Thanks for looking—I can't find it on either Twitter or Patreon. One curiosity: spaced repetition (at least as I've been working with it) necessarily involves retrieval practice; in fact, that's the mechanism at play. Is there some other sense of that phrase you mean?

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I don't agree. SR is a special case of space practice but retrieval practice is a lot more general and don't imply repetition. You could very well vary retrieval practice. One time check terms/definition, another time retrieval and again later generation and finally an MQ.