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One major problem with the total separation of "work" from the rest of life, and the decline of workshops and studios. We have also lost a number of semi-public spaces where old people can occasionally help, young people can learn the ropes, and everyone can socialize.

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Ludwig Yeetgenstein

@yeetgenstein

· Nov 19, 2021

One problem is a lack of public spaces to just hang out without paying money. The second problem is that even if you are willing to pay, you have to drink coffee or alcohol or eat something, and I don’t want any of these things at 3:30pm.

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Andy Matuschak

@andy_matuschak

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I think so much struggle around "training", "education", "coaching", etc stems from lack of contexts which support legitimate peripheral participation.

11:50 PM · Nov 19, 2021Twitter Web App

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Yeah. I also think that by codifying work as a very very specific thing (eg minimum wage laws and living wage advocates go so far as to presume that the *only* reason you'd ever get *any* job is to support a family), a lot of pathways are destroyed and completely out of sight.

Lee Knowlton

@leeknowlton

Nov 20, 2021

That's really interesting. I wonder about the reduction of serendipitous chances for legitimate periphery participation between this and zoning restrictions. "Work" seems almost hidden walking down the typical street.

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This is one of my biggest concerns with the future of Covid + remote work -- it's very difficult to do virtually

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Cal Newport talks about how knowledge workers are given tasks to accomplish but aren’t trained in how best to get them done. Being in an environment of experience probably filled that knowledge gap by accident before we corporatized everything.

Hunter Clarke

@HunterClarke

Nov 21, 2021

A very high ROI activity for me as a programmer is to watch others program. Not to figure out how they solve the problem directly, but how they use their tools and environment to help.

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This is getting actively worse with remote work. In my software engineering day job, I've taken to doing 2-3 hour "pair programming" sessions with screen sharing for newer team members just so they can see details of my workflow. Sometimes we barely even program, and just talk!