Open challenge for a live "notes tool utilization" contest.
I'll represent @RoamResearch, someone can represent @evernote or @NotionHQ
Audience chooses a topic we agree on, then we have 30 minutes to put together the best outline possible on the topic using only our tool.
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Replying to @nateliason @RoamResearch and
@andy_matuschak representing yourself and whatever it is you're using :)1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes -
Replying to @RobertHaisfield @nateliason and
Sorry: mu. I'm not interested in using my notes this way. This fitness function isn't uncorrelated with my goals, but it's a poor basis vector. I really don't identify with the goals of almost anyone who writes about notes. More and more I feel I need to abandon the term "note."
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @RobertHaisfield and
(This sounds a touch uncharitable, but please interpret it charitably) The most common goal for note systems (particularly e.g. BASB) seems to be "I want to be able to rapidly write a short Medium essay from excerpts and jottings." That's fine! It's not my goal.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @RobertHaisfield and
My goal is: "I want to produce novel, powerful ideas." A computer-supported thinking system is helpful insofar as it supports that. But it's hard to evaluate those systems empirically because such ideas are rare. People who blog about note-taking systems don't produce them.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @RobertHaisfield and
Counterexamples: Many greats discussed process, while also building tools and systems that were hugely influential Doug Engelbart - Augmenting The Human Intellect Rich Hickey - Simple Made Easy, Design Composition and Performance, etc etc
@paulg - Age of Essay etc.1 reply 2 retweets 25 likes -
Replying to @RoamResearch @andy_matuschak and
Theres a way you can say all those meta-thoughts about process are "blogging about note taking systems" If you say they aren't, seems like "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Writing is a tool for thinking Changing how you write changes how you think.
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We’re in agreement. That’s why “a notch too strong a generalization as stated.” The distinction is whether the meta-writing is *all there is*. Rich builds complex systems; his thoughts on practice are the input and byproduct of that primary goal. He’s not a productivity blogger.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @RoamResearch and
None of the aforementioned examples are either, right?
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Replying to @context_ing @RoamResearch and
Right. I don’t think there’s real disagreement here.
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