Hi, @andy_matuschak. Have you done any thinking about explicit (or implicit) teaching of note taking strategies or knowledge work? See my notes in the thread ^^
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Yes. But I concluded that the underlying ideas are too nascent, and that I want to develop them much more before spending time spreading them. May run workshops/classes in the meantime, but the point will be to help me understand, not to teach.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @houshuang and
To put it another way: I’ll want to work on spreading a given computer-supported thinking idea once I feel it's clearly enabled important work on the margin. Before then, feels too navel-gaze-y / “lifehacker”-y. Better to focus on honing and testing the ideas themselves.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @houshuang and
I’m extremely concerned about falling into this trap:https://notes.andymatuschak.org/zUMFE66dxeweppDvgbNAb5hukXzXQu8ErVNv …
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Replying to @andy_matuschak
Unrelated, but I’ve always been curious about these note taking system screenshots people share with massive walls of text. With so little curation or editing, isn’t it overwhelming to consume yourself later, let alone share with others?...
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Can’t speak for others’ practices, but in my practice, this type of sharable note is quite curated and edited. The title is a carefully-chosen “API,” which I use to find it in other contexts. They’re not written to be shared with others, but sometimes I do anyway.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @jtaby
I actually went to Twitter to make a point related to that last sentence. How do you feel about importing an individual note from someone else into one's one collection, even if just as a starting point?
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E.g. I read "Brainstorming may often substitute for missing insight accretion systems" today & it made a whole bunch of things click for me. I imported it & wrote several notes linking to it. This is frowned upon in ZK circles (bc of "Understanding requires effortful engagement")
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I'm finding that if the note is relevant and well structured it can be really powerful. I think that as long as one follows a few guidelines this can be useful: Choosing material that one agrees with and that makes sense, not overdoing it (both to avoid the collector's fallacy),
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and then not being afraid to actively modify it in the future to more deeply integrate it. I almost think of some of these as lemmas that one can use to build one's own thoughts on top of. Anyway, not something I'm suggesting to others but something that I've found useful.
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A key reason I can't use others' notes verbatim is that they usually lack several properties of evergreen notes: they aren't concept-factored, or they lack a clear API-ish title, or whatever. I might feel differently if others published their evergreen notes.
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Replying to @andy_matuschak @cansar
I used to think importing is what we want, but now I'm not so sure, esp. after my super-fun "zettelconversation" with
@Ben_Reinhardt - I think maybe we want something like version control where you "fork" someone else's evergreen note so you ensure you hear yourself think :)1 reply 0 retweets 5 likes -
My mental model is that a truly useful note needs to be embedded in your personal context which is like digestion. Someone can partially digest an idea for you but at the end of the day you need to do your own digesting. A good teacher or well-written note is like a mama bird.
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