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Wonder, blunder, salve, solve! Working on tools that expand what people can think and do. Past: led R&D @KhanAcademy; helped build iOS @Apple.

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    1. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      When I first read As We May Think* as a teenager, I was astonished by how much it predicted of the computer age in 1945—but recently I’ve been feeling wistful about some pieces it predicts which never came to pass. [thread] *https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1945/07/as-we-may-think/303881/ …

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    2. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Bush recognized that we think associatively. He thought we’d amplify creative work by building and navigating associative trails across materials. Many see this as predicting the WWW, but on a web site, you can only consume the links the author put there; you can’t add your own.

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    3. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Some people think this observation means Bush predicted the wiki. Yes, on a wiki, you can add a link to the text yourself… but that link would appear for _everyone._ There’s no notion of _personal_ associative markup.

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    4. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Bush’s associations are bidirectional, while web links are one-way. I suspect bidirectional links make much more sense in a personal context than in contexts where all links must be shared by all; that may be part of why the web’s have stayed unidirectional.

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    5. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      And of course, even that’s just the web. What about associations between pages of an ebook and a paragraph of a PDF? Between an email from a colleague and some drawings it reminded me of?

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    6. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Bush also suggested that this web of links wouldn’t just be between others’ published works—that subordinates your own work to others’. Your own materials (drawings, drafts, voice recordings, etc) are also stops on the associative “trail.”

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    7. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      If you want to arrange your own works relative to a disparate collection of others’ works, modern OSes offer folders and tags instead of links. In many cases, these are better: many associations form a clique or a tree, not a trail as Bush emphasizes.

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    8. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      OS-level tags solve a problem Bush observes: that indexing systems usually assume there’s a “best” categorization of an item, but they often have many associations. You want many-to-many. But tagging a 100-page PDF or a 100-comp PSD isn’t very helpful. Memex links are page-level!

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    9. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      But tags and folders are just sets. The structure is unordered, but your associations usually aren’t. It’s not just a theoretical problem: tags/folders are jumbled messes after a couple dozen items. Probably certain files are higher “degree,” but you’ll never know.

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    10. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Bush also describes how you could acquire trails from others—another notion we’re missing. Others’ trails could be applied to materials you already have, so you could see a colleague’s associative structures alongside your own, on the same files.

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      Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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      Are there any good analyses of the structural reasons why we’re here and not there? Key problems with associative linking as attempted in past large-scale systems, etc? Other interesting attempts besides Xanadu? LiquidText is neat; fun to imagine OS-level adaptations… [fin]

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        2. Amy "Social Distancing" Hoy‏ @amyhoy 7 Jul 2019
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          i’m working on a personal system for this designed for writers, inspired by bush and the promise of hypertext as for structural reasons — designers don’t seem to do their reading 📖

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        3. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 7 Jul 2019
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          Neat! I look forward to seeing. That latter point does seem to be true more often than I'd like, unfortunately.

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        2. Christian Tietze‏ @ctietze 19 Jul 2019
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          RE: LiquidText + a personal association, have you ever heard of Plan 9 and its `plumber` program? The whole thing is based around having a central text pipeline to do *everything*. A forum user handed us over his Atom package for experimentation:https://github.com/Zettelkasten-Method/atom-plumber …

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        3. Andy Matuschak‏Verified account @andy_matuschak 21 Jul 2019
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          This is fantastic; thank you for the reference!

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        2. Greg Lloyd‏ @roundtrip 7 Jul 2019
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          I’d suggest reading about the ‘Intermedia’ project at Brown in the late 1980’s, see: https://www.eventleaf.com/Attendee/Attendee/ViewSessionDocument?eId=lD2p%2BTtrrwk9UlSr4rOEwA%3D%3D&sdId=Q5vta2FbgEchFspIUsLucA%3D%3D … From ‘Intermedia’ session refs of May 2019 symposium https://www.eventleaf.com/brownhypertext#ss …

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        3. Greg Lloyd‏ @roundtrip 7 Jul 2019
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          ‘Intermedia’ aimed to make “linking as easy as copy/paste” with multiple webs of associations. Intermedia webs could reference any atom of any object in the Intermedia corpus, with bidirectional links stored as pairs of references. See the video: https://youtu.be/get7utR_BsU pic.twitter.com/O0WmMsT1M8

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        2. Visakan Veerasamy‏ @visakanv 7 Jul 2019
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          Visakan Veerasamy Retweeted Visakan Veerasamy

          thread about how a shared web of twitter threads kinda-sorta achieves a low-res version of this:https://twitter.com/visakanv/status/1133066996797468672 …

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          Now that more of us are playing the threading game: As we compete+collaborate effectively articulate things we all care about, And weave each other’s thoughts into our respective webs, The desire paths will assemble a mindcity paved with the best individual thoughts
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        3. Myk's the friend of the world as we know it‏ @mykola 7 Jul 2019
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          I wanna see “types” here. I want to reply to my own tweet to “annotate” which would get a special UI flag and not break threading, or reply to someone’s claim with a “dispute” tweet that can be “resolved”. Basically we’re most of the way to a graph, let’s get there?

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        2. Daniel Feichtinger‏ @auxilit 7 Jul 2019
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          The Science of Managing Our Digital stuff was pretty illuminating for me: https://www.amazon.com/Science-Managing-Digital-Stuff-Press-ebook/dp/B01MRHKPEW/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?keywords=managing+our+digital+stuff&qid=1562547356&s=gateway&sr=8-1 … Here’s my notes:https://humane.computer/review-the-science-of-managing-our-digital-stuff/ …

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        3. Daniel Feichtinger‏ @auxilit 7 Jul 2019
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          Key takeaway was that personal information management’s goal is to aid future retrieval but it’s really hard to predict the future context. Seems like users build up a spatial view of hierarchical folders which means they’re the least mentally demanding retrieval method.

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