A cowardly move. There is NO justification for race-based quotas against Asians. A candidate who backs down in the face of systematic, institutional racism can never be trusted as President.
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Agreed (as a fellow Asian). If an admissions systems results in disparate racial impact, the first response should be to determine whether the admissions goal is being realized, not filing suit when a change is considered.
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The first response should be to ensure that whole groups of people, by race, are not subject to discrimination or quotas. Elite universities held Jewish quotas a century ago. What they did then was unacceptable as is what they're doing today.
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Good point. Any race-based criterion is at best a lazy proxy for real analysis. It means you're not digging deep enough to identify the factors that contribute meaningfully to your goal.
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And one of those factors can be race?
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I'd agree with you if the imbalance were happening naturally, but it seems the personality scoring unfairly discriminated against asians
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Lost a vote.
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Andrew, you might want to reconsider your position on this issue. The most recent Pew survey showed 73% of Americans oppose considering race in admission. Even among Asian Americans, the figure is 59%. The small group of Asian activists are vocal, but they aren't representative.
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No college admission should judged anyone on our most superficial trait. We have to get to a place in our society that does not care the ratio of melanin each individual has.
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This thread is pure entertainment. Andrew's thoughtfulness is what counts here. He's thinking 20+ years down the line whereas the naysayers are pinned down in their trenches trying to hold the old lines.
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No quotas on any group. I do see affirmative action as a red herring mind you. Issue is quotas, also, judging teens’ “character” and “personality“ is dumb as fuck
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The different factor here was "personality" - Harvard said Asian applicants had terrible personalities. Disappointed that you agree.https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/opinion/harvard-asian-american-racism.html …
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Had an interesting discussion with a Taiwanese colleague about this last week, regarding the clash between collectivism and individualism in the Harvard case. Personally, I’d like to see universities reflect the national demographics, not just on race, but class & other factors.
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What you're essentially implying by "demographics" is: "bc there's less Asians, we can accept less of them despite them being extremely qualified". You're justifying racism on principle of some dubious criteria. Can you imagine white America doing that to black ppl on the 50s
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That's because the lawsuit was brought by Euro-Americans
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Asians in general tend to be very good at studying hard & rote learning. The admission process rewards these parrot like qualities. Perhaps the admission processes should include some tests rewarding ability to be creative or solve novel problems. This would even it out.
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Are you trying to infer that Asians are, on the average, less creative and weak problem solvers? HA! Asians will succeed regardless because of their drive to succeed and that is why regardless of how Harvard changes the admission process, they will get in...unless it's about race
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