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    andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 27 Dec 2017

    andreasdotorg Retweeted Thomas

    I'm still furious about this, and would like to know who decided this and why. This whole thing proof that "be excellent to each other" is a piece of toothless hogwash and a poor excuse for not having and enforcing a proper CoC. #34c3https://twitter.com/NGC_3572/status/945703981862588417 …

    andreasdotorg added,

    Thomas @NGC_3572
    Replying to @draganakaurin @_morre_ and 2 others
    Yes and I was told the decision was final and under no circumstances will be discussed further. https://twitter.com/NGC_3572/status/945700223321591811 …
    10:51 AM - 27 Dec 2017
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    • Leli ☠️ Pomo-Tonnerre Jan Stette Oliver Sprinzl 🐿 Vesna Manojlovic Toofy Guildenstern Axe of Kindness Julius Volz
    6 replies 76 retweets 152 likes
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      2. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 27 Dec 2017

        Also, great job at hiding behind some abstract "Orga", and at failing to comment on this in public. Like an abstract nameless bureaucracy, where everyone is just doing what they are told to. #34c3

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      3. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 27 Dec 2017

        I know who you are. I know you know. And I know you're reading this. Get your fucking act together. #34c3

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      2. Actually Rebecca Valentine‏ @beka_valentine 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @andreasdotorg @jbetzend

        at @noisebridge, we expanded on the "be excellent to each other" rule a bit, explaining what the consensus on excellence was, forming our current anti-harassment/safe-space policy

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
      3. Actually Rebecca Valentine‏ @beka_valentine 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @beka_valentine @andreasdotorg and

        we still say that the one rule is be excellent to each other, we just wanted to be very clear that the community has a particular conception of excellence

        1 reply 0 retweets 7 likes
      4. Actually Rebecca Valentine‏ @beka_valentine 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @beka_valentine @andreasdotorg and

        it helps that there are no institutional barriers to kicking people out, too. have no CoC but having institutions who Call The Shots means people get fucked over :(

        0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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      1. █ 🏴‍☠️█ Hannah Suarez‏ @superruserr 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @andreasdotorg

        I was just thinking about this most recently also. They have people not actually trained / experienced to lead in this area and make these types of decisions. I hope to see repercussions for this during and beyond #34c3. @ccc @chaosupdates

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      2. Frank Behrens‏ @bluse1995 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @andreasdotorg @raichoo

        what CoC you like to see and why?

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      3.  🐿 Vesna Manojlovic‏ @Ms_Multicolor 29 Dec 2017
        Replying to @bluse1995 @raichoo @andreasdotorg

        there are many examples: IETF Anti-Harassment Procedures https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-farrresnickel-harassment-10 … Geek Feminism Wiki http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Code_of_conduct_evaluations … (#Debian, #Django, #Tor, #Rust) & more: #CoC #NVC #34c4 https://wiki.techinc.nl/index.php/Ladies_Night#Dealing_with_Harassment …

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      2. _043‏ @_043 27 Dec 2017
        Replying to @andreasdotorg

        was heißt "enforce" in diesem Kontext?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      3. Monika (jail)‏ @GreenSky_Jail 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @_043

        Durchsetzen

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. _043‏ @_043 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @GreenSky_Jail

        ja, wie?

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Monika (jail)‏ @GreenSky_Jail 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @_043

        Na z.B. Leute rausschmeißen oder explizit ausladen. Bei weniger schweren ersten Verstößen evtl. auch erstmal mit ihnen reden.

        3 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      6. _043‏ @_043 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @GreenSky_Jail

        macht man dann eine Gesichtskontrolle am Eingang und legt Listen mit unwanted Individualsoftware aus?

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Aethusa cynⓐpium‏ @Iteration23 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @andreasdotorg

        Ich frag mich seit Jahren, warum eine so gut vernetzte Szene das nicht auf die Kette kriegt. Vielleicht einfach, weil es keine technischen Lösugen für soziale Probleme gibt. (Aber auch das hätte spätestens beim 29C3 klar sein müssen)

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      3. Lebkuchen‏ @nutellaberliner 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Iteration23 @andreasdotorg

        Weil man ein Problem hat, Stellung zu beziehen und dadurch jemandem aus der eigenen Gruppe auf die Füße zu treten. Deshalb Sucht man ausreden a la Unschuldsvermutung

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. Aethusa cynⓐpium‏ @Iteration23 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @nutellaberliner @andreasdotorg

        War in der Biologie nie anders, aber irgendwie klappt das da besser. Vielleicht ist mehr #diversity tatsächlich die Lösung. (Bio/Geo ist bei STEM einer der genderegalitärsten AFAIK) Braucht aber Zeit, muß reinwachsen.

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      5. Aethusa cynⓐpium‏ @Iteration23 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Iteration23 @nutellaberliner @andreasdotorg

        (Braucht halt ein Umfeld, das #diversity zulässt. Über Jahre. ka vielleicht mal wen panelistin einladen zu diversity in science/womeninstem etc 35c3)

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      6. Aethusa cynⓐpium‏ @Iteration23 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Iteration23 @nutellaberliner @andreasdotorg

        so appelbaum kram ist schon übel genug, in *meiner* community wäre das schon weit im no go bereich soweit ich sagen kann. certified untrustworthy. ich war ziemich geschockt. von so kloppern wie der assange nummer mal gar nicht zu reden.

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      7. Aethusa cynⓐpium‏ @Iteration23 28 Dec 2017
        Replying to @Iteration23 @nutellaberliner @andreasdotorg

        ein fefe wäre in meiner community n einsamer dirty old man. was läuft bei meinen leuten anders? ka aber ich kenn paar frauen und/oder poc und/oder queere scicomm leute, die da was zu sagen könnten.

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