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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Dec 2017

      Codes of Conduct can never replace good intentions, mutual respect and human decency, but in the right hands, they can be an excellent tool for bullying and abuse.

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    2. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Plinz

      A lack of a code of conduct is an excellent opportunity for bullying and abuse by people who happen to lack good intentions, mutual respect and human decency.

      3 replies 2 retweets 10 likes
    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @andreasdotorg

      A code of conduct never changes bad actors, and they will always find ways to circumvent or even use them, for instance by creating Kangaroo courts. Erroneous conduct of well intentioned people can usually be resolved, but bad actors cannot.

      2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    4. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @Plinz

      Let's see. Not having a code of conduct means you don't have a way to escalate a response to a bad actor up to the point of throwing them out.

      3 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
    5. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @andreasdotorg @Plinz

      A CoC is trying to solve social problems with a contract. With all the associated downsides, as it does not work out in most cases, it even

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    6. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @_allo @andreasdotorg @Plinz

      legalizes certain action which would be forbidden by common sense but have a (undesired) loophole in the contract.

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    7. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
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      People will read the contract exactly and try to use it against yourself. You don't solve problems in your team with such a contract.

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    8. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @_allo @andreasdotorg @Plinz

      Instead common sense and a good community sense where everyone feels welcome helps more against abusive people than any CoC.

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      andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 4 Dec 2017
      Replying to @_allo @Plinz

      Let's abolish all laws, and use common sense instead!

      2:20 PM - 4 Dec 2017
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        1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @andreasdotorg @_allo

          No, laws are necessary to regulate involuntary social groups. Not unlike cryptography, they are incredibly expensive and knowledge intensive to write, evaluate, improve, implement and apply, because they are so easy to corrupt, misunderstand, or have unintended consequences.

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        2. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @andreasdotorg @Plinz

          I don't think you got my posts. The point is, to rely on the laws. And only the laws, not self written CoC, which may have weaknesses ...

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        3. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @_allo

          So you think laws are perfect? You think a group of people coming together should not be able to make their own rules governing them? Innnnteresting theory.

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        4. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @andreasdotorg

          I do not think I will discuss which laws I consider good and which not. My personal opinion is to follow all current laws and change

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        5. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
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          the bad ones in democratic ways.

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        6. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
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          But the laws against discrimination, harressment and similar are mostly fine.

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        7. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @_allo @andreasdotorg

          But the actual point is, that a CoC is the attempt to write your own laws. And laws need to be written such that they do not have loopholes

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        8. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg 4 Dec 2017
          Replying to @_allo

          "Let's not write any software, because it might have bugs". You do realize how silly that sounds, right?

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        9. allo‏ @_allo 4 Dec 2017
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          do not write your own crypto.

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