Let's see. Not having a code of conduct means you don't have a way to escalate a response to a bad actor up to the point of throwing them out.
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Replying to @andreasdotorg
Usually not true; every stable social structure evolves mechanisms for that. Conversely CoCs allow power grabs by sociopathic parasites and ideologues, because they replace social standing and merit with a legalistic machinery that can put group resources against the group itself
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Replying to @Plinz
Now how is a CoC not a mechanism for that, just documented?
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Replying to @andreasdotorg
Because the original mechanism existed as an implementation in the intentions, understanding and social abilities of people that had to constantly earn their right to employ it. The CoC is a completely new mechanism, a machine that can be used by any bad actor.
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Replying to @Plinz
Say, how exactly do I "earn the right" not to be raped? By social standing?
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Replying to @andreasdotorg
Are you suggesting that social groups usually need a CoC to award its members the right not to be raped? You sound insane to me.
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Replying to @Plinz
Well, it was you who came up with "social standing" or "merits" in this debate. Just asking what you mean by this.
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Replying to @andreasdotorg
In the absence of controlling goons or crucial resources, the influence you have in a group is awarded to you by its members based on how they perceive your abilities (that is called merits). Social standing is the measure of your capacity for influence.
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Replying to @Plinz
And? What does this have to do with having a well-defined set of rules how to deal with bad people?
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Replying to @andreasdotorg
While the principles of love and purpose are somewhat eternal, social dynamics are very complex and constantly evolving, and a well-defined set of rules may sometime be helpful and sometimes create more problems than it solves.
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Laws exist as well-defined set of rules in our society. Apparently because they were useful for the stability of societies in the long run. Also, we do have a data point in e.g. Marquis-Boire that there was a certain lack of rules and their enforcement in our community.
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