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    1. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg Oct 22

      andreasdotorg Retweeted Marie Gutbub

      "how to deal with harassment" "no CoC stuff" Oh the cognitive dissonance!https://twitter.com/shiromarieke/status/1054402911776710657 …

      andreasdotorg added,

      Marie Gutbub @shiromarieke
      I am looking for good/interesting resources, books, etc., on how to deal with harassment in communities. No CoC stuff, I am particularly interested structures & procedures that can be put in place. Preferably in an EU or at least non-US context. Ideas? #followerpower #metoo
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    2. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 22
      Replying to @andreasdotorg

      Calm down. I mean that I have been reading about CoC stuff already, and that right now I am looking for resources on structures and procedures in particular. So, you can either be helpful and suggest stuff, or troll away.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg Oct 22
      Replying to @shiromarieke

      If you actually meant to inquire on how to make sure a CoC is not just a blank statement, I apologize and will signal boost.

      9:15 AM - 22 Oct 2018
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        2. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 22
          Replying to @andreasdotorg

          See my second tweet (thread).

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        3. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 22
          Replying to @shiromarieke @andreasdotorg

          And btw, my biggest problem with CoC in general is that they are mostly either blank statements, or not realistic, or full of grey zones, or all those things at the same time. I don't want to remove CoC, I want to replace them with more solid text.

          3 replies 1 retweet 4 likes
        4. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 22
          Replying to @shiromarieke @andreasdotorg

          But that's another topic. My question now is what do do if there's no CoC, or a bad CoC, or a CoC, and that something bad happened (anyway)?

          2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. andreasdotorg‏ @andreasdotorg Oct 22
          Replying to @shiromarieke

          If something bad happened, and there were no rules in place, your best bet is to expose what happened, coordinating with the victims on what they are ok with sharing.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 22
          Replying to @andreasdotorg

          I'm looking for solutions for the future :) To make things better and avoid fuckups. While I know quite a lot about CoC, I don't know much about building the structures that help ensure the CoC is not an empty shell.

          4 replies 1 retweet 0 likes
        7. Lukas Kahwe Smith‏ @lsmith Oct 22
          Replying to @shiromarieke @andreasdotorg

          we are still fairly fresh with this in the #Symfony world but we got the people handling reports trained by @_sagesharp_https://symfony.com/blog/care-team-training …

          1 reply 1 retweet 4 likes
        8. Lukas Kahwe Smith‏ @lsmith Oct 23
          Replying to @lsmith @shiromarieke and

          BTW I am very interested in educating myself further about concerns in this area and possible approaches to remedy them. I will come to Berlin in mid a November for a week. maybe we can meet up at @cbase to discuss this in person?

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        9. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 24
          Replying to @lsmith @andreasdotorg and

          Happy to meet, but let's pick another place. My DMs are open, feel free to ping me with details (when you're there exactly, etc.)

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        10. End of conversation
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        2. Lasse Kosiol‏ @hquer Oct 22
          Replying to @andreasdotorg @shiromarieke

          A CoC is always just a blank statement if you don't know how to deal with harassment. You can deal with it without a code, but you can't have a working code without knowing how to deal with it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. sandzwerg@chaos.social‏ @Sandzwerg Oct 23
          Replying to @hquer @andreasdotorg @shiromarieke

          you can't deal with it without a code if you don't agree on common values

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Lasse Kosiol‏ @hquer Oct 23
          Replying to @Sandzwerg @andreasdotorg @shiromarieke

          You are not making sense. Code or not has nothing to do with it if you have underlying problems like common values. Thinking a code will fix something that a code can't is one of the biggest problems with CoCs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. sandzwerg@chaos.social‏ @Sandzwerg Oct 23
          Replying to @hquer @andreasdotorg @shiromarieke

          of course it doesn't magically fix anything you have to put in work. But it forces you to think what your common values and rules are.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Marie Gutbub‏ @shiromarieke Oct 23
          Replying to @Sandzwerg @hquer @andreasdotorg

          you can think what your common values and rules are, in verbal or written form, without calling it a CoC or formatting it like a CoC. totally agree with you on having common values, but I believe it can be done under many forms. anyway, that was not my question.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. Lasse Kosiol‏ @hquer Oct 23
          Replying to @shiromarieke @Sandzwerg @andreasdotorg

          Yeah, and just to add: I don't think anybody said a code is bad and you should not have one. But you should be able to think about other options without getting stamped as 'evil'.

          0 replies 0 retweets 1 like
        8. End of conversation

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