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Sweet, sour, strong, weak. Product fellow @code4ca, conceptual artist working with code, musician.

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    1. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25

      Donald Main Retweeted Laurie Penny

      If I may (I suppose this might get me in trouble)... I have this thought that many of these guys are too young to be so angry. They do not satisfy the "lifetime" part, which is the real work is being done. They still had time. 1/https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/989072038278189059 …

      Donald Main added,

      Laurie PennyVerified account @PennyRed
      ‘Incels’ seem convinced that their hatred springs naturally from a lifetime of being lonely, shy nerds. This is a slur on lonely, shy nerds everywhere, myself included. Most of us do not consider our loneliness or frustration the logical prelude to murder.
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    2. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25

      The real problem comes when you get to your early to mid thirties when most potential partners your own age are "over" inexperience. And when you are getting too old for all the people who might still tolerate it. 2/

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    3. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25

      When you get older you also begin to realize that "sex" is not the worst thing you are missing out on. It is intimacy. I am sure sex is nice, but it is the lack of intimacy that makes you starve. 3/

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    4. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
      Replying to @WinterShorts

      everyone — everyone ever — still has time to take responsibility for their lives, appearance, attractiveness, etc. there is no such thing as "too late." there is no need for intimacy to be impossible. you just have to do the work.

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    5. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
      Replying to @andknf

      Maybe not in an absolute sense but particular cases can have any number of "complications" .

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    6. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
      Replying to @WinterShorts

      sounds like a great way to rationalize not doing the work.

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    7. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
      Replying to @andknf

      There are some things no amount of work can fix for which the only solution is to find someone who will not care. I am trying to make a general case here. Try not to read too much into it.

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      Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
      Replying to @WinterShorts

      this is a general reply. it feels like an idea that's merely different in degree and not in kind from incel opinions about why women won't have sex with them.

      4:00 PM - 25 Apr 2018
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        2. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
          Replying to @andknf

          Maybe. But saying something is like in kind and different in degree is not sufficient as a refutation. Virtue ethics have always been concerned with the mean, not the category, have they not?

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        3. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
          Replying to @WinterShorts

          well just to make this point clear, let's grant the most extreme version of what you're saying: let's say there's a persistent, systemically-propagated set of biases against older inexperienced people. does that change what you must do to become a more attractive partner?

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        4. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
          Replying to @andknf

          The things do not change. The questions are attainability and efficacy. To be a bit tongue in cheek, the question is whether there are conditions under which men can in fact have a "Last Fuckable Day" .

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        5. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
          Replying to @WinterShorts

          honestly, i don't think so. i truly don't. is there a point at which someone gives up on their ability to change, pursue things they want, and make a life that they love? maybe. the consequence of that could be they never have sex. but many have the first, and still the second.

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        2. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
          Replying to @andknf @WinterShorts

          the funny thing though is: "finding someone who doesn't care" about your imperfections is what we all have to do. all of us. no one gets to be universally desired. we're all fighting for intimacy and closeness with just a few folks. anyone who wants more is lying to themselves.

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        3. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
          Replying to @andknf

          I think making the semantic differentiation between imperfection and abnormality would be warranted for my meaning here. Actual outlier problems.

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        4. Andrew Konoff‏ @andknf Apr 25
          Replying to @WinterShorts

          sure. and I think that's what the original "incel" meaning had in store - it was coined by a queer woman who found dating extremely hard during high school and into uni.https://www.elle.com/culture/news/a34512/woman-who-started-incel-movement/ …

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        5. Donald Main‏ @WinterShorts Apr 25
          Replying to @andknf

          I saw someone bring that article up in a tweet yesterday. I passed on reading it then, guess I will give it a go now though.

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