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Writer, editor, @BitchMedia cofounder, speaker, author, WE WERE FEMINISTS ONCE. I'm not like a regular Jewish mother, I’m a cool Jewish mother

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    andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27

    andi zeisler Retweeted Robin Hanson

    It is honestly wild to me how many people are bending themselves into pretzels to justify the male incel worldview of being entitled to sexhttps://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/989535565895864320 …

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    Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
    Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer simiarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis. Strikingly, I see little overlap between those concerned about income & sex inequality. http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/04/two-types-of-envy.html …
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      2. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27

        And what a lot of these people seem to just not get is that incels have the same access to sex that most people do—what they don’t have is access to sex with the women they feel they *deserve*

        19 replies 154 retweets 1,191 likes
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      3. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27

        The thread that @LuxAlptraum did on exactly this subject is essential reading. But the insistence on validating the idea that men are owed sex with the *exact partners they want* is just bonkers

        12 replies 66 retweets 722 likes
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      2. Lauren Pleska  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RadFemme74 Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler

        And of course there's no room in their worldview for women who don't care about men, you know, lesbians. They just assume every woman is withholding sex from them. And that no woman has agency over her sexuality. Which as a lesbian, is a bit terrifying.

        1 reply 6 retweets 134 likes
      3. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27
        Replying to @RadFemme74

        these are the same guys who say "wow what a waste" when finding out the girl they want is a lesbian. theory of mind does not exist here

        3 replies 5 retweets 129 likes
      4. Lauren Pleska  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RadFemme74 Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler

        Yup. Also the same men who go "How do you know you don't like men if you've never been with one?". Dear Broseph, what you said, that attitude? That's how.

        3 replies 2 retweets 76 likes
      5. Suzy Winter‏ @BakeUpLilSuzy Apr 27
        Replying to @RadFemme74 @andizeisler

        Perhaps all these "incels" should be matched up with each other? I mean, how do they know they don't like men if they've never been with one?

        1 reply 6 retweets 84 likes
      6. Lauren Pleska  🏳️‍🌈‏ @RadFemme74 Apr 27
        Replying to @BakeUpLilSuzy @andizeisler

        I've actually said that to one once, his reaction was, telling.

        1 reply 1 retweet 46 likes
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      2. Emilycalliope‏ @Emilycalliope Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler

        What is happening in this sentence?!? ‘Access to sex’ is the weirdest phrase. How do you ‘redistribute’ sex? Is this how we get Westworld sex robots? Because otherwise you’re talking about forcing people into sex with people they don’t want. Right? That’s the redistribution?

        2 replies 5 retweets 129 likes
      3. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27
        Replying to @Emilycalliope

        part of the incels' whole thing is that they should have hot government-assigned sex partners, so yes

        7 replies 2 retweets 89 likes
      4. ciardha‏ @ciardha Apr 28
        Replying to @andizeisler @Emilycalliope

        They don't think of women as human but objects to posses. They should have sex with each other if they need it so bad. It's clear they hate women.

        0 replies 0 retweets 46 likes
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      2. (((Ken Yee))) 💃 🗡 👻‏ @yuweiquan Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler

        So whose entitlement has precedence over the male incel’s consent?

        3 replies 0 retweets 9 likes
      3. EVENT JORIZON‏ @hayBEARS Apr 27
        Replying to @yuweiquan @andizeisler

        what does this even mean?

        1 reply 0 retweets 44 likes
      4. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27
        Replying to @hayBEARS @yuweiquan

        I’m glad someone else asked

        1 reply 0 retweets 47 likes
      5. (((Ken Yee))) 💃 🗡 👻‏ @yuweiquan Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler @hayBEARS

        I’m trying understand how consent/entitlement fit into all of this, into “incel worldview.” There is sense of empowerment (or perception of lack) too, so how do these arguments work if you swap genders or relate male incel to groups of different “status” (my thoughts: inchoate)

        1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
      6. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27
        Replying to @yuweiquan @hayBEARS

        consent *doesn't* fit into this. these guys don't care about women; they don't think of women as actual humans. as for gender: seriously, read @LuxAlptraum's thread

        1 reply 2 retweets 76 likes
      7. (((Ken Yee))) 💃 🗡 👻‏ @yuweiquan Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler @hayBEARS @LuxAlptraum

        Yeah I understand. I am fascinated by elements of predation & how the incel forums are practically a correspondence course for learning them, but where is the apex predator that preys on them? I’m not proud of the part of me that would enjoy this.

        1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
      8. Nat le Nat‏ @nananat666 Apr 27
        Replying to @yuweiquan @andizeisler and

        Well, nazis prey on them. They strive to recruit these kinds of people: sexist, bjtter, angry, entitled, racist.

        1 reply 0 retweets 24 likes
      9. (((Ken Yee))) 💃 🗡 👻‏ @yuweiquan Apr 27
        Replying to @nananat666 @andizeisler and

        You are right :-(

        1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
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      2. (((Rachel Sklar)))  ❄️‏Verified account @rachelsklar Apr 27
        Replying to @andizeisler

        It is terrifying actually

        2 replies 2 retweets 145 likes
      3. andi zeisler‏Verified account @andizeisler Apr 27
        Replying to @rachelsklar

        it is so many things at once and not one of them is good

        1 reply 2 retweets 109 likes
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