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    1. Jacopo Nardiello  🇪🇺 🇮🇹‏ @jnardiello Feb 23
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      I'm just wondering if there's a licence which would be open enough to allow broad adoption and for OSS to flourish but strict enough to force big players to actually pay for their unfair usage. If there is not, we should probably create one.

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    2. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      I think it's impossible to create such license, because a key point of open source software is that, if you obey to the redistribution clause (for instance modifications should be under the same license), you should be able to do *anything* with the code. Weakness & strength.

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    3. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      So the maximum you can do is to come up with licenses that are "quasi-open" and have such setup, but they'll never be truly OSS licenses. It's just that between old-style proprietary and OSS there is a whole spectrum of licenses.

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    4. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      Because of cloud providers people are going more and more on the proprietary side of the spectrum in order to make sure that if their platform succeed the value is not captured by the main SAAS vendors. But in turn this will make the platform less interesting for normal folks.

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    5. Andi Gutmans‏Verified account @andigutmans Feb 23
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      Redis Labs monetized Redis before they officially sponsored it. Redis being open source enabled them to do so. Of course later you joined but OSS is enabling individuals and organizations to innovate. Think of jemalloc in Redis, ...

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    6. Andi Gutmans‏Verified account @andigutmans Feb 23
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      Redis Labs commercial offerings, Redis Modules, and the service wouldn’t exist either without other OSS projects. I am sure you are not contributing universally to them. OSS feeds on itself and I am a big believer in OSS regardless of who my employer is.

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    7. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      This reasoning would be great and sounding if there was a free market. I've little doubts Redis Labs would then lead the Redis market, however the cloud changed this landscape, because a de facto monopoly emerged: this changed the market setup.

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    8. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      With the new setup, a company that is going to innovate and make something people want in the system programming space, should be prepared to be number 2 or 3 or 4. And will sell the platform in the same instances the monopoly holder has almost for free in comparison.

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    9. Andi Gutmans‏Verified account @andigutmans Feb 23
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      I don’t subscribe to the monopoly rhetoric. The IT hosting and deployment market segments are huge. So much opportunity for so many folks. We are witnessing many companies doing so well on cloud and elsewhere. Everyone bringing their unique value to the table.

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    10. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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      If you don't trust me, judge the results: the software landscape is radicalizing towards less open licenses. This effect I believe is directly driven by AWS.

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      Andi Gutmans‏Verified account @andigutmans Feb 23
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      As a long time open source person I still believe the majority of OSS and motivations for individuals and organizations to do OSS is there. Yes, there are VC backed outliers but that is not the norm of OSS. ASF, Cloud Native, Linux Foundation. Great OSS happening.

      11:04 AM - 23 Feb 2019
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        2. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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          Sure but most of such projects are old. What happened IMHO in recent times is that, ways before the cloud, the startup movement removed a big chunk of OSS creators from the market, busy doing other stuff. Many were back because of VC backed OSS basically.

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        3. ANTIREZ‏ @antirez Feb 23
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          I'm not sure that in the future big OSS projects in the system space will be possible without a viable business model. I hope to be wrong BTW.

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