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    Anders Sandberg‏ @anderssandberg 14 Nov 2018

    An interesting example of how a big smart organization can consistently underestimate a fairly clear trend (solar energy growth). And appear very confused about what a forecast means. https://steinbuch.wordpress.com/2017/06/12/photovoltaic-growth-reality-versus-projections-of-the-international-energy-agency/ …pic.twitter.com/6lfpv6WpIq

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      1. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        Note that "the IEA was initially designed to help countries co-ordinate a collective response to major disruptions in the supply of oil." So they have a bit of an institutional bias. And they aren't being asked to bet on these predictions.

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      2. NiMA Asghari [0.6.3]  🚀 🤖‏ @insideNiMA 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        This is beyond exponential. It's vertical growth 🚀🤯

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      3. Ad Astra!‏ @elonisourhero 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @insideNiMA

        pic.twitter.com/qd587TD4MZ

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      2. Andreas Karvonen‏ @MSc_Karvonen 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        Wow, they are really consistent over time at giving crappy estimates!

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      3. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @MSc_Karvonen @anderssandberg

        It's hard to make a capacity estimate based upon early production numbers. When something is less than 1% of utilization it'd be premature to say "this thing will be 90% in 20 years." They finally do it in the 2018 report, after 3 solid years of exponential growth.

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      4. Andreas Karvonen‏ @MSc_Karvonen 15 Nov 2018
        Replying to @joshcryer @anderssandberg

        Yup, but somewhere around 2010 they should at least have expected linear growth based on previous years, at least not negative growth...

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      2. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        They've actually come around and believe solar will take over everything. I don't know when they started to project, that, however. But in NPS 2018 they definitely see it happening.pic.twitter.com/pzswiOMss6

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      3. Risk Seeker‏ @SeekerRisk 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @joshcryer @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        Total installed?

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      4. joshcryer‏ @joshcryer 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @SeekerRisk @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        Yeah, installed capacity.

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      1. Grouping Tetraspace Diamond‏ @TetraspaceAdmn Jan 25
        Replying to @anderssandberg @AaronGertler

        Nervous IEA officials huddle around a table late at night. “It’s got to level off at some point, right?” one pleads.

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      1. jarro‏ @jarrozxc 4 Dec 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        Looks like a bluff on the threshold of agony initiated & lobbied by oil industry monopolies.

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      1. Daniel Houck‏ @daniel_houck 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        That is a lot worse than I'd expect. I'd expect linear predictions for an exponential model, but this is *near-constant* predictions for an exponential model.

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      1. me me me‏ @selfverified 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @ESYudkowsky

        “Let’s look at last year. Germany installed four percent more solar panels but generated three percent less electricity from solar.”http://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/2017/11/21/why-i-changed-my-mind-about-nuclear-power-transcript-of-michael-shellenbergers-tedx-berlin-2017 …

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      1. Cookie Monster‏ @PokerCookieM 14 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        Maybe they underestimated the Federal Government’s complicit reimbursement program or repayment program?

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      2. RichardT‏ @xthread 23 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @adrianco

        I wonder if the key failure of imagination was assuming that the growth (if any) was only going to be driven by gov’ts subsidizing the uneconomic deployment of PVs to fight a (subsidized) battle against climate change; projections look reasonable if real costs weren’t falling

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      3. adrian cockcroft‏ @adrianco 23 Nov 2018
        Replying to @xthread @anderssandberg

        Click through and read. There’s a detailed analysis of why the model is consistently wrong and a call to open source the model and data. At root its an economic equilibrium model which can’t capture an exponential change.

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      1. Ian Ollmann‏ @iollmann 15 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg @asymco

        This looks a lot like historical predictions about AAPL stock price. It betrays a fundamental failure to understand the factors driving success.

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      1. David Boette‏ @dboette 15 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        This falls in the bucket of reasons of why NOT to legalize weed.

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      1. Environmentalist‏ @Environmntalist 15 Nov 2018
        Replying to @anderssandberg

        Reminds me of IEA history of oil price forecasts. Completely detached from reality.

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