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Anders Östlund
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Anders Östlund

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Swede by birth, European by choice. Founder of Fryday, an international network. #EuropeanPatriot🇪🇺

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    1. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      Point is, we must be able to hold somebody responsible for hate speech, defamation etc.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    2. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @andersostlund

      A) you can do that now. And b) you cannot control speech, locally or globally.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    3. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      A) I know but how efficient when there are fake accounts? B) Many countries have laws against hate speech. Germany well known example.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    4. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @andersostlund

      A) fake accounts are tiny compared to misinformation spread by real ones IMO and b) Germans can sue Germans now, no?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      Obviously we disagree on what constitutes a media and what constitute open air and public space.

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    6. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @andersostlund

      Yes. I think it might be that we come from different legal cultures

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    7. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      Probably so but I used to be a rock solid libertarian and free speech advocate until a few years ago when I lived through the war in Ukraine

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    8. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @andersostlund

      I understand that. War can challenge our beliefs. As we witnessed after 9/11 here, for example.

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    9. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      I always argued against the well fare state but now I see part of it as a good way to prevent populism and extremism.

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    10. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @andersostlund

      Ah; I see the opposite. Welfare statism nurture/feed the same thought processes that feed populism and extremism (vs individualism).

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      Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
      Replying to @mfcompany

      There are many shades of any welfare state. Sweden's version is now way less socialistic than 30 years ago.

      11:19 AM - 4 Jun 2017
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        2. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @andersostlund

          yup; but that can change in an election’s moment… the danger.

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        3. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @mfcompany

          Not in reality. We have strict proportionality in elections here. Things of any importance are usually decided in broad cross-aisle deals.

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        4. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @andersostlund

          Very much like the State of MA or PA or any of our similar-sized states. As Tocqueville said, “If it fits under an apple tree, govt works"

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        5. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @mfcompany

          Huge difference of gov there and here. We don't have checks and balances, we have consensus.

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        6. Matthew Ferrara‏ @mfcompany 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @andersostlund

          In a way, you try to craft a better law “before” it needs a court interpretation to clarify. Easier to get consensus in country of 10M...

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        7. Anders Östlund‏ @andersostlund 4 Jun 2017
          Replying to @mfcompany

          Yes, that's how it works. Easier to get consensus if you are a small tribe with a common heritage, religion, language etc.

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