@andersostlund the post war order was changed by EU and NATO expansion, dont forget.
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@KozaPooragain That is absolutely not true. The security order was always based on sovereign nations right to decide themselves. -
@andersostlund right to decide in wich military allience they want to be. so NATO expend nearly to the russian borders. -
@KozaPooragain So what? Either countries are independent or not. Or shall I tell you to marry? -
@andersostlund As I said before. I think that states are no longer independent, but intedependent instead. the westphalian order is over. -
@andersostlund thinking from the position of a single state as a independent participant in international affairs is neglecting reality.
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@andersostlund I mostly agree with you. But this is nonsense. Would you have preferred to see a full blown war and/or nucleair weapons now? -
@ton_aarts@andersostlund On the contrarary It's the appeasement policy that makes a full blown war inevitable -
@EvgenyRemez@andersostlund That's also nonsense. This is no appeasing of Putin. War should be last in a number of definite steps. Not first -
@ton_aarts@EvgenyRemez Ton, come on - there are so many things that could have been done not being war. Economic pressure for example. -
@andersostlund@EvgenyRemez Also now Putin awoke all EU countries to divert from Russian gas & oil. Permanently. No more future big income. -
@ton_aarts@EvgenyRemez Exactly. That is a good thing and EU could have played that card a year ago already. -
@andersostlund@EvgenyRemez Yes, it took a while to wake up entire EU. But everyone knows now, and we will never go back to old situation!
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@andersostlund When is the Ukraine going to start to defend itself? No amount of Nato arms can win a war on its own! Ukrainians get real! -
@Andrewtalker Ukraine is defending itself if you haven't noticed yet. Russia's attack on Ukraine is an attack on the whole EU though.
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@andersostlund Dear friend,don't miss Abkhazia&South Osetia--20% of Georgian territory is still annexed!Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@andersostlund It's Germany's duty to safeguard Europe as a power. Whatever they think, they will be responsible if Putin runs amok now.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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@andersostlund@h_thoreson If EU follows the rules, it can't admit Ukraine with part of its territory in foreign hands. 'Secure borders' -
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@RichardFPenn@andersostlund@h_thoreson Precedent exists, Cyprus, where 37% of its territory was ethnically cleansed & under occupation
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@andersostlund@h_thoreson Frozen conflict, just like Georgia.Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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