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    1. whitequark‏ @whitequark 16 Jul 2017
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      countertheory: rational problem solving is one aspect of cognition that is emphasized in species or individuals when there's pressure for it

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    2. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 16 Jul 2017
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      yes, exactly. it's only something that is optimized for when it's necessary. *when optimized for*, it does not require much computation mass

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    3. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 16 Jul 2017
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      further hypothesis: imagine a human-like intelligence specifically designed to not have infrastructure for maintaining/using a body

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    4. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 16 Jul 2017
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      e.g. EVE Online pod pilot, etc. someone who can think and communicate, but does not need to use arms.

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    5. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 16 Jul 2017
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      i would hypothesize that you could make such a brain 10x smaller without making that person less intelligent.

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    6. Fiora @ mandatory homestuck!‏ @FioraAeterna 16 Jul 2017
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      that is, most of our brain is effectively coprocessors for managing a wide variety of things, and most of those are body-related.

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    7. whitequark‏ @whitequark 16 Jul 2017
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      hmm tool use? cats are physically unable to make diverse tools (if they use any at all), so no need for fine motor control

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    8. Tzetze‏ @mnxmnkmnd 16 Jul 2017
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      there's a semi-prominent theory that most "smart" stuff is basically an outgrowth of being able to hit things with thrown objects

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    9. Tzetze‏ @mnxmnkmnd 16 Jul 2017
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      you have to plan the motion in advance, and suchlike

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    10. '(·)‏ @allgebrah 16 Jul 2017
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      huh wait isn't throwing stuff the archetypical "embodied cognition" task? aka the kind of cognition that relies on very little planning

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      ok wait the archetypical task was catching stuff - throwing stuff is another one though (lots of reading here: https://psychsciencenotes.blogspot.de/p/the-rough-guide-to-blog.html …)

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        2. Tzetze‏ @mnxmnkmnd 17 Jul 2017
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          embodied cognition would be pretty crap if it excluded planning entirely

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        3. Tzetze‏ @mnxmnkmnd 17 Jul 2017
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          but by planning i meant that throwing happens fast enough that you can't make a lot of adjustments to muscle movements while it happens

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