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niftierideology

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Just SOME of the horrible laws Elon has passed on Mars - 1/3 gravity compared to earth - Unbreathable atmosphere, mostly CO2 - Planetwide exemption from copyright law and drug patents - universal healthcare He must be stopped!

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"SpaceX will make its own laws on Mars" & not recognize international laws. Proof that the kind of excess wealth that leads to power & influence leads also to unrestrainable, blinding hubris & arrogance, & thence to evil. This must be stopped now. bit.ly/34GbT70

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I would like to see the international community press that issue, because to do that I think they'll have to recognize the mars colony as a nation (or at least some kind of sovereign subject like the order of malta)

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Without nukes, Mars wouldn't have much to bargain with. So maybe they need a nuclear program for defense against Terran treachery

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earth cannot really plausibly nuke mars, what they can do is embargo critical tech such as semiconductor fabs, or trojan it

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besides I think mars can play at that nuke game without having nukes, first of all they have orbital superiority (and favorable orbital mechanics), second their mere existence is a threat to the system of MAD

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Completely serious btw. The alternative is the people at the buttons waking up and realizing that they don't need to preserve Earth to win

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if earth govts are smart they will never allow any kind of independent high tech industrial base to develop on mars, and instead make them depend on shipments of high value density tech such as CPUs, which you can plausibly ship by the rocketful

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not wholly clear they can prevent it, idk if there's a subset of tech to ship over which is clearly sufficient to maintain the colony but also categorically incapable of becoming self-sustaining

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I think there's a whole lot of materials science that exists only as institutionally bound knowledge and may also be largely invalid on mars because the raw materials are so different (where does one find large amounts of mars carbon for steelmaking anyway)

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recreating this and other parts of the supply chain will be expensive and partly personnel-on-mars bound, which itself is capital bound because shipping people over is expensive

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they probably will eventually become self sustaining, question is whether they do that while they're still the only ones there

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broader point is valid, but carbon is dead easy -- whole atmosphere is CO2

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yes and no, you can technically sequester carbon out of the atmosphere, the question is whether that's the best approach (you need really bulk amounts of the stuff for steelmaking) or if you should maybe just choose other materials

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Carbon capture is pretty easy in the Martian atmosphere. And from there carbon dioxide to steel is a thing that's been worked out at lab scale, too expensive to compete with traditional processes on Earth but certainly cheaper than shipping from Earth to mars.

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