the presumption is usually that it is a black hole, so pleasurable that anyone who experiences it loses all desire for anything else
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Replying to @alicemazzy
but if they can just keep wireheading, I don't see the problem
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann
fwiw this is a classic objection to utilitarianism, that with a simple definition of happiness as pleasure, a pig in a pleasure machine is more morally valuable than a dissatisfied socrates
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Replying to @alicemazzy
One of those things I believe but recognize can never be turned into a "how we live our lives" principle so whatever
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Replying to @sonyaellenmann
see I agree with the objection and think utilitarianism is stupid, this is the core disagreement rather than anything about hypothetical version of wireheading per se
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Replying to @alicemazzy @sonyaellenmann
personally I see the desire to inscribe one's self into the universe as core to what it is to be human
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Replying to @alicemazzy @sonyaellenmann
whether by reproduction, education, works, what have you. people who lack this drive may as well not exist
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Replying to @alicemazzy @sonyaellenmann
so to me the willingness to give up all possibility for external influence is deeply repugnant
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Replying to @alicemazzy @sonyaellenmann
(this is again all predicated on the black hole assumption that goes in hand with the thought experiment, which implies...
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Replying to @alicemazzy @sonyaellenmann
...it is potent enough to override one's will and thus is a grave hazard. if it's a thing one can do to like unwind for...
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...an hour or two at the end of the day or whatever then it's fine and no different from occasional recreational drug use)
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