Why is anyone against wireheading? Wireheading sounds great
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One of those things I believe but recognize can never be turned into a "how we live our lives" principle so whatever
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see I agree with the objection and think utilitarianism is stupid, this is the core disagreement rather than anything about hypothetical version of wireheading per se
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personally I see the desire to inscribe one's self into the universe as core to what it is to be human
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whether by reproduction, education, works, what have you. people who lack this drive may as well not exist
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so to me the willingness to give up all possibility for external influence is deeply repugnant
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this attitude is so interesting to me, I do not get it on an intuitive level
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To me the question boils down to: Is your *purpose* for existing utterly selfish or does it relate to how you impact others? Do you have a duty to make some mark on the world?
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My answers are 1) there is no purpose in that sense and 2) no
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that doesn't sound utilitarian to me at all. the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, is utilitarianism. THIS is utilitarianismhttps://twitter.com/Fourthchan/status/967083486107578368 …
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so do i need a new word then, to differentiate between, like, nth-order effect extrapolated utilitarianism, and whatever naive thing normal people mean? this sounds just like nihilism to me
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idk, these are classic disagreements within the space itself
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bentham's original conception was deemed deficient because it admits the pig on the pleasure machine scenario
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leading to mill trying to formulate a fuzzier utility function that gets more intuitively pleasing results by sacrificing quantifiability of utilitarian calculus
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"needs of the many outweigh needs of the few" is still not definitively coherent in the frame however because it's predicated on a (hypothetical/idealized) calculus
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eg the lw "one person tortured horrifically vs everyone ever occasionally getting dust in their eyes" scenario
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the intuitive/natural answer is that the torture is worse because we can imagine its horror
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