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    1. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017

      the nuance these articles always miss is "supremacy" in term is colloquially taken as "innate superiority" but idpol types mean it as "social preeminence"

      4 replies 1 retweet 11 likes
    2. 3rdMoment‏ @3rdMoment 24 Oct 2017

      I don't understand how this coexists with calls to integrate schools, neighborhoods.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    3. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 24 Oct 2017
      Replying to @tcjfs @3rdMoment @alicemazzy

      Which is often false. (I remember checking $/capita in Baltimore public schools. It’s very high by national standards.) I’m in favor of

      1 reply 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 24 Oct 2017
      Replying to @phl43 @3rdMoment @alicemazzy

      integration precisely because white middle-class environment is much better than black ghettos and their social pathologies.

      2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    5. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
      Replying to @phl43 @3rdMoment

      the problem is that school integration is effectively an iterated prisoners' dilemma

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    6. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alicemazzy @phl43 @3rdMoment

      same as block-busting. white-majority integrated schools are in aggregate good, small downside for whites but huge upside for minorities

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      Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
      Replying to @alicemazzy @phl43 @3rdMoment

      but any particular white community that can secede from the district, or families that move to other towns, decreases upside and increases downside

      8:58 PM - 24 Oct 2017
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        2. ЬᏂ​au​ϮᏂ‏ @peroxycarbonate 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy

          What reasons do you have for believing there is net benefit?

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        3. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @peroxycarbonate

          in which scenario, for integrating or for fleeing?

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        4. ЬᏂ​au​ϮᏂ‏ @peroxycarbonate 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy

          For integrating. (Fleeing has obvious costs.)

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        5. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @peroxycarbonate

          the most quantatively verifiable is race is correlated with socioeconomic status, which directly determines school quality

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        6. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy

          segregation vs integration covers like a quarter of the SAT race gap afaik. fuzzier things like acculturation to white middle class norms also likely but hard to measure

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        7. ЬᏂ​au​ϮᏂ‏ @peroxycarbonate 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy

          That's not integration. 1) whiter neighborhoods tend to have higher property prices 2) blacks in those areas are richer than average

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        8. ЬᏂ​au​ϮᏂ‏ @peroxycarbonate 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @peroxycarbonate @alicemazzy

          and of course 3) richer families have better test scores

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        9. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @peroxycarbonate

          school districts are drawn for political reasons just like anything else and there are plenty that cover multiple de facto segregated communities

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        2. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @phl43 @3rdMoment

          and this cascades into a de facto resegregated school with the added bonus of a white minority that is far worse off than otherwise

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 24 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @phl43 @3rdMoment

          jefferson county alabama right now is convulsing with this, should be a case study for the process

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 25 Oct 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @3rdMoment

          Yeah, this is one of the many reasons why I think it's difficult to find a politically realistic way to integrate, but I still think there

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        5. Philippe Lemoine‏ @phl43 25 Oct 2017
          Replying to @phl43 @alicemazzy @3rdMoment

          is no other option.

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