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    1. Wibberrrrrrr128  💻 🖥️ 🖱️‏ @wibrr 8 Aug 2017
      Replying to @valueterminal @alicemazzy

      Yeah when it became clear that software was hard prestigious work instead of clerical/rote data entry, men decided it was Men's Work.

      2 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    2. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
      Replying to @wibrr @valueterminal

      not quite. it was hard and low-status, and subsequently made prestigious

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      Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
      Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

      I think it presumes too much to say women were "forced out"

      12:51 PM - 8 Aug 2017
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        2. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          fields with a preponderance of women tend to be low-status and also tend to be viewed/described in feminized terms

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        3. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          declaring as fact one set of causal arrows connecting these nodes is basically an ideological statement

          1 reply 0 retweets 8 likes
        4. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          eg, a feminist take saying masculinizing a field is an act intended to suppress female membership

          1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes
        5. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          vs a more gender roles-y argument that women gravitate toward fields coded feminine

          1 reply 0 retweets 4 likes
        6. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          a lot of these arguments boil down to opposite sides agreeing on x and y but absolutely convinced x causes y or vice versa

          1 reply 0 retweets 10 likes
        7. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          also gf raised the point that companies in the 80s were looking for lifers and women tended to exit the workforce after marriage

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        2. [X]‏ @purplehexed 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          "forced out" sounds better than lost to the competitive males desiring success in the field.

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        3. Wibberrrrrrr128  💻 🖥️ 🖱️‏ @wibrr 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @purplehexed @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Have y'all actually read any of the source material or are you intent on debating imagined hypotheticals? http://gender.stanford.edu/news/2011/researcher-reveals-how-%E2%80%9Ccomputer-geeks%E2%80%9D-replaced-%E2%80%9Ccomputergirls%E2%80%9D …

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        4. Crecus Lohe‏ @CrecusLohe 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wibrr @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Whenever reading narratives like these I get the distict feeling of being hoodwinked. I don't know enough about computing history to verify.

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        5. Crecus Lohe‏ @CrecusLohe 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CrecusLohe @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Even if I did it still doesn't seem to explain current situation (which is the issue at hand, after all).

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        6. Wibberrrrrrr128  💻 🖥️ 🖱️‏ @wibrr 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CrecusLohe @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          You really really really need to listen to interviews with the "computer girls" who lived thru that period. It's no hoodwink.

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        7. Crecus Lohe‏ @CrecusLohe 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wibrr @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Causality is not shown through anecdote. Perhaps the narrative is true. Don't see strong relation to current situation, though.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        8. Wibberrrrrrr128  💻 🖥️ 🖱️‏ @wibrr 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @CrecusLohe @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Keep reading. Alice is trying to construct an ahistorical narrative with the two graphs.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        9. Crecus Lohe‏ @CrecusLohe 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wibrr @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Keep reading where?

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        2. epobirs‏ @epobirs 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Women weren't pushed out. Their numbers stayed the same while huge numbers of men changed the balance.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        3. Wibberrrrrrr128  💻 🖥️ 🖱️‏ @wibrr 8 Aug 2017
          Replying to @epobirs @alicemazzy @valueterminal

          Got a citation for your claim?

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        4. AML‏ @amiguello1 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @wibrr @epobirs and

          Do you realize your entire argument falls apart the moment you look at raw numbers instead of %? https://nintil.com/2017/08/07/why-so-few-women-in-cs-the-google-memo-is-right/amp/ …pic.twitter.com/02yB5lpEHu

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        5. AML‏ @amiguello1 9 Aug 2017
          Replying to @amiguello1 @epobirs and

          Women were not "pushed out", at least not anymore than men. Your sources are just a string of persuasive anecdotes.

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