do you tell the truth because it is inherently good or because it is a means to an end? #alternativefacts
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you could input 'long term gains' or whatever as the thing that the machine should optimize for
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that's my justification, though I suspect my real motivation is the moral argument
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tbh moral argument is least interesting/persuasive to me, utility argument makes most sense, but stronger underlying...
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...motivation is I idealize virtue/honor on aesthetic grounds and striving toward that ideal feels good
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I could see situations with a perfect lie that would be impossible for anyone to ever uncover, but I can't lie to myself
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same goes for secrets, being known as someone who can keep confidence is so valuable that breaking it isn't even worth it
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this obviously isn't a universally held view though, probably relates to time preference
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+1, and also the short term gain from the lie is often offset by the exponential cognitive overhead of tracking lies
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the magic machine would track the lies for you
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does the machine have perfect information? (ie is this the real world or spherical cow island)
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if I was the only one on the world with the perfect information oracle there are a lot of things I would do
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if you knew someone had this machine would you trust them?
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if you knew this machine existed but not who had it would you trust anyone?
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if the machine failed to inform you of the hit to your reputation then it would not be a perfect game theory analysis.
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It sounds like you're saying that the huge impactful lie will never be noticed. But that seems implausible.
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Well, there's the paradox. If it's perfectly successful, the rest of us would never know.
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