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    Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23

    "balance of power" as an emergent phenomenon is entirely fake, protracted peace in multipolar world invariably coordinated agreement between individual men with shared goals, change my mind

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      2. Alex (spooky orange edition)  🕳‏ @SpeakMouthWords Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        "A is false. A is actually A. Change my mind"

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      3. Alex (spooky orange edition)  🕳‏ @SpeakMouthWords Jul 23
        Replying to @SpeakMouthWords @alicemazzy

        How do YOU define the balance of power (saving you a response)?

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      4. Alex (spooky orange edition)  🕳‏ @SpeakMouthWords Jul 23
        Replying to @SpeakMouthWords @alicemazzy

        Sorry for the triple-tweet. Almost all emergent phenomena age the result of complex agent-based systems, see trite examples such as bird flocking and crosswalk stripes.

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      5. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @SpeakMouthWords

        the core ideas of balance of power as I understand it are...

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      6. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy @SpeakMouthWords

        a) states will act independently to maintain equilibrium, because absent a severe enough imbalance that one might achieve hegemony, maintaining equilibrium is optimal for all participants individually

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      7. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy @SpeakMouthWords

        and b) this disincentivizes war, which is presumed to be employed chiefly to fulfill hegemonic ambition, but balancing incentives function like a poison pill

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      8. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy @SpeakMouthWords

        but based on reading both of these assumptions seem completely wrong. rather than an emergent property of states, the few times a "balance" seems to persist...

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      9. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy @SpeakMouthWords

        ...are compacts between particular *men* with particular shared aims, and once those men exit the stage, or come to distrust each other, the whole thing falls apart

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      1. Alice Maz‏ @alicemazzy Jul 23
        Replying to @chc40

        not multipolar, tenochtitlan was a hegemonic power

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      1. tantum‏ @QuasLacrimas Jul 23
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        "coordinated agreement" always takes place against a background of bargaining power and strategic constraints. that any 2 agents can make an agreement depends holding the other ~ (n^2)/2 dyads constant. (in fact, this follows trivially from the folk theorem)

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      1. Matt Guttman‏ @mattguttmanorg Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        Like others here, I don’t see what you’re really trying to get at. When potentially hostile leaders perceive that their expected future situation is better with peace than through conflict, we call it a “balance of power”.

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      1. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        Game theory gives you a lot of insight into which coordinated agreements are stable and which aren't, though.

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      2. Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        Completely agree. Balance of power is already a zone of coordination, it is actively maintained by some group.

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      3. Samo Burja‏ @SamoBurja Jul 23
        Replying to @SamoBurja @alicemazzy

        You might be interested in these pieces Competitive Landscape https://medium.com/@samo.burja/empire-theory-part-1-competitive-landscape-b0b1b3bbce9e … Power Dynamics https://medium.com/@samo.burja/empire-theory-part-ii-power-dynamics-864b9eef4200 … They describe my current understanding of the expansion and contraction of such zones of coordination.

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      2. Woke Space Emperor‏ @EmperorCoolidge Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        Distinction without a difference imo. The individuals recognize that offensive is undesirable while a balance exists and that maintaining a balance secures them, on the other side, the balance requires such individuals to maintain it

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      3. Woke Space Emperor‏ @EmperorCoolidge Jul 23
        Replying to @EmperorCoolidge @alicemazzy

        I.e. The balance of power system in Europe collapsed in 1914 not because it was fake, but because the leaders who valued it enough to maintain it did not exist

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      1. Speak‏ @discostalin Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        It may evolve into that, but I think that naturally a balance is struck between powers. After a few generations, like any system, it is coopted.

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      1. Leonardo Serrano‏ @leonardofls91 Jul 23
        Replying to @alicemazzy

        Do we live in a multipolar world? The US has such a massive military it pretty much forces world peace on their terms. It also feels awkward to talk about individuals having such power in western democracies. Theoretically, there are checks and balances to limit that, no?

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