This thread is giving me a lot of feels. I learned HTML/CSS so I could make simple fan sites and edit LiveJournal. It was incredibly fun. I was one of the only kids in my friends group doing it. By the time I reached college this wasn't "real programming."https://twitter.com/anildash/status/1060754945434157056 …
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It's harder than back-end. Back-end isn't a roiling shit-show of constantly changing browsers, standards, and I'm only talking to other machines so I don't have to care about UX. Front end is multi-platform GUI programming in the 90s. Only worse.
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Yeah, I would absolutely hire someone who’s an expert at HTML/CSS when I can afford to because it is so beyond me that it is inefficient to do it myself and learn by trial and error. It’s HARD
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I started using HTML in the mid 90s. By the late 90s it was already out of my reach with CSS. But Web/UI work is fundamentally part of the field of design, not computer science. Our problem is that we confuse anything that uses a computer with “computer science.”
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Though understand of functional programming probably builds a lot of the patterns of thinking necessary for web design.
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I get why HTML and CSS aren't *technically* programming languages. But I've also had experienced Lead Developers ask me how to make something as wide as its container on a page. Agree 100% about the gendered conception of these skills.
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Had a fascinating convo with my boss the other day about whether design systems work is the most specialized CSS job outside of like... writing the specs.
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HTML/CSS is entirely written off as nerf work. Doing good work takes a tonne of serious thought, practice and continuous learning. It is the most proximate part of the user interface on the web.
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Srsly, it's like a completely different thing now.
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and it's seriously just as hard (if not worse) as our fancy backends.
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Also, the moving target of browsers? No thanks.
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So much same here!! There's so much onus on JS right now- I've ALWAYS had more trouble understanding it than HTML/CSS, which I got to be expert at...and now I feel those skills slipping away while I spend all my time trying to become a JS expert...
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When I first started learning programming I thought web development was really fun, front and back end. But keeping up with front end development doesn't seem like a good use of my time anymore because the skill sets are non-transferable to other domains.
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Stick with it. I find it difficult too but probably because of trying to keep up with others rather than focus on what we do really well.
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Absolutely same. Trying to figure out CSS is absolutely hell for me.
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I has talking with people from privateaser recently and they told me basically the same things. It's not uncommon to have huge HTML and CSS code base without comments or test while it's the part of the code running on a wide array of environment
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