Hey fellow woman, my issue was tossing out a random table with percentages that had no sources in the midst of a horrifying societal disregard for verifiable facts. That type of reckless behavior is a huge part of what got us into this mess. Would prefer discussion to rude snipes
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Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown
And yet you spent so much time on the blaming and shaming part. I think you should assess why you're back pedaling your knee jerk response and learn from it. Setting aside your defensiveness is how we win.
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Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown
Can you explain to me which part came across as shaming? I asked a genuine question about why that person thought it was constructive. I clearly could have softened it with additional words.
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Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown
Your entire second point was about blaming and shaming, when you say your first point was your real concern. Why even include #2 then?
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Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown
I viewed them as independent concerns, but my initial comment was just “source?” bc curious/didn’t think data was out. I spent time trying/failing to find the source, then thought the comment was unnecessarily divisive bc no one demographic is likely to win it w/o the other...
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Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown
If white women stopped voting with white supremacy, we would win elections.
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Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown
It pains me to see people who are a vocal part of a group I support and identify with use the same kinds of tactics as the groups they rail against (e.g., empty rhetoric, negative generalizations, no sources for things that reinforce existing beliefs, refusing mature discussion).
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This is not snark: do you have a citation for the idea that calling out a demographic for voting for racist politicians makes them more likely — rather than less — to do so in the future? Also, FWIW, there aren’t any generalizations going on here.
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Framing things as “us vs them”, demonizing a group, etc., alienates people and ensures most of them will not even hear your argument. The psychology behind this is heavily studied, and there are a number of factually supported resources on that being ineffective/damaging advocacy
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So far, your tactics in this discussion include: - back pedaling - tone policing - centering yourself as a victim - asking for sources while neglecting to provide your own
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You want civil discourse but you seem incapable of providing it.
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Where have I been uncivil?
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