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    1. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 6
      Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

      Hey white woman: no.

      2 replies 4 retweets 91 likes
    2. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
      Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      Hey fellow woman, my issue was tossing out a random table with percentages that had no sources in the midst of a horrifying societal disregard for verifiable facts. That type of reckless behavior is a huge part of what got us into this mess. Would prefer discussion to rude snipes

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
      Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

      And yet you spent so much time on the blaming and shaming part. I think you should assess why you're back pedaling your knee jerk response and learn from it. Setting aside your defensiveness is how we win.

      2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    4. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
      Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      Can you explain to me which part came across as shaming? I asked a genuine question about why that person thought it was constructive. I clearly could have softened it with additional words.

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    5. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
      Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

      Your entire second point was about blaming and shaming, when you say your first point was your real concern. Why even include #2 then?

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    6. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
      Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      I viewed them as independent concerns, but my initial comment was just “source?” bc curious/didn’t think data was out. I spent time trying/failing to find the source, then thought the comment was unnecessarily divisive bc no one demographic is likely to win it w/o the other...

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    7. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
      Replying to @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

      If white women stopped voting with white supremacy, we would win elections.

      3 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
    8. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
      Replying to @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      It pains me to see people who are a vocal part of a group I support and identify with use the same kinds of tactics as the groups they rail against (e.g., empty rhetoric, negative generalizations, no sources for things that reinforce existing beliefs, refusing mature discussion).

      1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
    9. Pete Holiday‏ @toomuchpete Nov 7
      Replying to @atebitbyte @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      This is not snark: do you have a citation for the idea that calling out a demographic for voting for racist politicians makes them more likely — rather than less — to do so in the future? Also, FWIW, there aren’t any generalizations going on here.

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
    10. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
      Replying to @toomuchpete @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown

      Framing things as “us vs them”, demonizing a group, etc., alienates people and ensures most of them will not even hear your argument. The psychology behind this is heavily studied, and there are a number of factually supported resources on that being ineffective/damaging advocacy

      2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
      Replying to @atebitbyte @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

      So far, your tactics in this discussion include: - back pedaling - tone policing - centering yourself as a victim - asking for sources while neglecting to provide your own

      10:13 AM - 7 Nov 2018
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        2. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

          I said I was happy to provide additional sources when I had time later today. Please stop misrepresenting my statements to reinforce your view.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
          Replying to @atebitbyte @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

          mechanical turkey Retweeted Allison Phillips

          Where did you say that?https://twitter.com/atebitbyte/status/1060232810688966656 …

          mechanical turkey added,

          Allison Phillips @atebitbyte
          Replying to @toomuchpete @alicegoldfuss @FireinFreetown
          Framing things as “us vs them”, demonizing a group, etc., alienates people and ensures most of them will not even hear your argument. The psychology behind this is heavily studied, and there are a number of factually supported resources on that being ineffective/damaging advocacy
          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. Pete Holiday‏ @toomuchpete Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

          It was in a reply to just me. I think it was after I removed you from the thread to spare your mentions. Sorry for the confusion!

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        5. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
          Replying to @toomuchpete @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

          Ah, that would explain it. Ok.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        6. Pete Holiday‏ @toomuchpete Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @atebitbyte @FireinFreetown

          Pete Holiday Retweeted Allison Phillips

          https://twitter.com/atebitbyte/status/1060233899199029249?s=21 …

          Pete Holiday added,

          Allison Phillips @atebitbyte
          Replying to @toomuchpete
          I’m happy to look some up if that’s important to you, but I’ll have to do it later today. I also disagree and assert that holding an entire demographic accountable for a subset’s actions is, indeed, generalizing.
          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        7. End of conversation
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        2. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

          I feel like you’ve dug into a rigid perception. My questions have gone unanswered. You accused me of “alienating” you by unfollowing. Where have I failed to evaluate my own actions? Where have you evaluated yours? **I’m just tired of seeing people be so shitty to each other.**

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
          Replying to @atebitbyte @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

          So am I! Which is why I want white women to stop voting in such shitty ways.

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. End of conversation
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        2. mechanical turkey‏ @alicegoldfuss Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @atebitbyte and

          You want civil discourse but you seem incapable of providing it.

          1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
        3. Allison Phillips‏ @atebitbyte Nov 7
          Replying to @alicegoldfuss @toomuchpete @FireinFreetown

          Where have I been uncivil?

          0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
        4. End of conversation

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