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    1. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      My incredible colleague, Antigone Davis, Head of Global Safety at Facebook, has posted about our test in Australia to combat Non-Consensual Intimate Imagery (NCII).https://newsroom.fb.com/news/h/non-consensual-intimate-image-pilot-the-facts/ …

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    2. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      Some salient points: 1) We already have a mechanism for victims of NCII to report images that are posted on our products. This test is intended to help those victims who are being blackmailed by an abusive partner or criminal and who want to take action.

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    3. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      2) This test was put together with the help of the Australian eSafety Commissioner and several advocates and NGOs with deep experience with NCII and partner abuse. Check out their statements in the post.

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    4. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      3) We are aware that having people self-report their images carries risk, but it's a risk we are trying to balance against the serious, real-world harm that occurs every day when people (mostly women) can't stop NCII from being posted.

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    5. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      In recognition of that risk, we have taken the steps we can to protect this data and to only retain non-reversible hashes. To prevent adversarial reporting, at this time we need to have humans review the images in a controlled, secure environment.

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    6. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      4) We are not asking random people to submit their nude photos. This is a test to provide *some* option to victims to take back control. The test will help us figure out how to best protect people on our products and elsewhere.

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    7. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      A personal comment: this situation is a pretty good example of a problem I talked about at Black Hat this summer. Our greater infosec/privacy community, including the media, has trouble talking about imperfect solutions to serious problems.

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    8. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      When there was a burst of ill-informed press around a crypto issue this year, there was an ability to self-correct, since the external experts who set the tone of the conversation understand crypto.

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    9. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      The number of people outside of the big platforms who have to deal with abuse like this at scale is actually minimal. I think this is a good demo of why we need to continue to talk about these problems publicly to build understanding and trust.

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      Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017

      A quick note to everybody who says "calculate the hash locally": A) Photo fingerprinting algorithms are usually not included in clients to prevent the development of circumvention techniques. B) Humans need to review to prevent adversarial reporting.

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        2. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos

          It's an open research problem, but so is post-quantum cryptography.

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        3. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @taviso

          You are lucky to work at one of the few companies with an excellent safety engineering team. Maybe let your fuzzers run for a couple of months while you try your hand at this issue? More infosec-safety exchanges are great for both sides.

          1 reply 0 retweets 25 likes
        4. Tavis Ormandy‏Verified account @taviso 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos

          Hah, are you running low on headcount over there? 😀

          1 reply 1 retweet 17 likes
        5. Alex Stamos‏Verified account @alexstamos 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @taviso

          Plenty of headcount! Standing desk and all the turkey jerky you can eat just waiting for you, say the word. At a minimum I can get you a counter-offer. GSUaaS

          4 replies 3 retweets 51 likes
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        2. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos

          I'm one of those people who still thinks local hashing might be the better answer, and I stand by it. But two things first: 1. I applaud @alexstamos and Antigone Davis for stating FB's side so well in the public.

          3 replies 3 retweets 19 likes
        3. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos

          2. I have long been on the record supporting the efforts of amazing scholar-advocates like @daniellecitron and @ma_franks to come up with creative solutions to deal with the scourge of revenge porn and other harms that disproportionately hurt women. #ILove280

          1 reply 1 retweet 8 likes
        4. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos and

          3. Antigone's post confirms that FB is not keeping the images around (e.g. for ML training purposes). If not, then the primary reason to require the file upload is, to use @alexstamos' phrase, to "prevent adversarial reporting"

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        5. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos and

          Paul Ohm Retweeted

          4. Echoing @blakereid https://twitter.com/blakereid/status/928827883979653120 …, if you do the check *after* somebody else attempts to uploads an image matching a hash rather than *before*, you can still tamp down on those who would game your system.

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        6. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos and

          5. & to build on @blakreid's model: when somebody uploads a hash, you check to see if it matches any image already on the FB system (I'm assuming you have that capability?) If it does, that also merits human review, but without requiring an upload.

          1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
        7. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos and

          6. Having built in those two layers of assurance, what's the remaining threat model: Person A uploads a hash for an image that has never before been on FB because he/she is hoping to prevent Person B from uploading that exact image.

          2 replies 0 retweets 6 likes
        8. Paul Ohm‏ @paulohm 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @paulohm @alexstamos and

          7. Is that possibility really so significant and worrisome that it justifies the risk to privacy you are taking on?

          0 replies 0 retweets 5 likes
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        2. Josh Bressers‏ @joshbressers 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos

          Do you have a plan for all the underage material you'll end up collecting?

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        3. Rik Ferguson‏Verified account @rik_ferguson 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @joshbressers @alexstamos

          Eapecially considering that in many jurisdictions even sending the image to FB is technically criminal, let alone reviewing it.

          2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
        4. George Chiesa, FRSA‏ @GeorgeChiesa 9 Nov 2017
          Replying to @rik_ferguson @joshbressers @alexstamos

          Exactly!!!!

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        1. FRIdS μ'sic forever‏ @FRIdSUN 12 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos

          Trying to identify these photos with hashing cannot scale quickly anyway. Privacy issue need a privacy system, not such a band-aid patch. If FB's facial recognition can be used to ask for permission of found people in photos, it partially solves this and make FR less creepy.

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        1. George Furbish‏ @geofurb 10 Nov 2017
          Replying to @alexstamos @sfmnemonic

          Couldn't humans review the photos that match the hash, rather than the original photo? That seems like a trivial matter to fix.

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