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    1. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27

      Angus Johnston Retweeted Robin Hanson

      "Access to sex" isn't a coherent concept, particularly when analogized to "access to income," because "sex" isn't a fungible, transferrable commodity. There's only one way to provide someone with sex: Have sex with them.https://twitter.com/robinhanson/status/989535565895864320 …

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      Robin HansonVerified account @robinhanson
      Those w/ less access to sex plausibly suffer simiarly to those with low income, & might similarly hope to organize to lobby for redistribution along this axis. Strikingly, I see little overlap between those concerned about income & sex inequality. http://www.overcomingbias.com/2018/04/two-types-of-envy.html …
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    2. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism

      You can have access to things that are not commodities. The White House, for example, is not a commodity, and you might or might not have access to it.

      5 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
    3. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @robinhanson

      The White House is public property, so society can provide you with access to it by passing a law that permits you to enter it. Permission to have sex can only be granted by the person having sex, so I can only provide you with access to sex by having sex with you.

      2 replies 3 retweets 100 likes
    4. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      I see that you wrote elsewhere that "giving cash in compensation for low sex" might be a solution to the problem you're describing that doesn't abrogate consent. But there are problems with that as well.

      2 replies 1 retweet 49 likes
    5. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      First, "lack of access to sex" is neither quantifiable nor an externality. How would you determine eligibility for subsidy? Also: subsidizing people who aren't having sex is only a solution to their problem if we assume universal interest in, and access to, sex workers' services.

      3 replies 4 retweets 68 likes
    6. Robin Hanson‏Verified account @robinhanson Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism

      There are also many complexities in implementing income redistribution. My comments don't have much to do with these details, as long as advocates do have some specific details that they propose.

      4 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
      Replying to @robinhanson

      "What does it mean to lack access to sex?" isn't a minor question in a discussion of compensating people who supposedly lack access to sex.

      4 replies 3 retweets 114 likes
      Alexandra Erin‏ @alexandraerin Apr 27
      Replying to @studentactivism @robinhanson

      Especially when we consider that, anecdotally, the "incel" communities seem to be rife with people who don't lack access so much as they have unrealistic expectations and narrow ideas about what sort of sexual attention is worth having.

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        2. Alexandra Erin‏ @alexandraerin Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          Hey, @robinhanson, if a dude is convinced that he should be "pulling 5s and 6s" and is shooting down "3s and 4s", does that mean he's disqualified? Or partially qualified? Are we going to means test this somehow?

          3 replies 6 retweets 107 likes
        3. Alexandra Erin‏ @alexandraerin Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          If a guy is saying he "would never date a Stacy" or "wouldn't stick [his penis] inside a 'roastie'" (a, uh, let's go with "term of art" for a woman who has noticeable external labia), are theystill entitled to compensation, sexual or otherwise, for their so-called lack of access?

          1 reply 4 retweets 92 likes
        4. DOD‏ @dcodea Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          Can’t wait for the PUA community to take over as case examiners for Incel sexual compensation claims

          1 reply 1 retweet 30 likes
        5. Presidential Harassment Enthusiast  😡 🏳️‍🌈‏ @SJGrunewald Apr 27
          Replying to @dcodea @alexandraerin and

          Will they call it Incel Court and televise the trials?

          1 reply 1 retweet 15 likes
        6. DOD‏ @dcodea Apr 27
          Replying to @SJGrunewald @alexandraerin and

          PUA-eye for the the Incel-guy

          1 reply 1 retweet 19 likes
        7. DSA chaos dracolich working group‏ @doktorpaine Apr 27
          Replying to @dcodea @SJGrunewald and

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        2. Ivriniel‏ @Ivriniel Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          Also, this kind of reasoning ignores the fact that Incels have nothing but contempt for sex workers. If they were willing to use the services of a sex worker, their forums would be used to plan bus trips to Vegas, not to talk about violently punishing women for refusing them.

          1 reply 4 retweets 99 likes
        3. laura lake An Impolite, Arrogant Woman‏ @lauralake3 Apr 27
          Replying to @Ivriniel @studentactivism and

          I was reminded, when I mentioned something like this in a different tweet that incels are the kind of men who kill sex workers. I know you mean if they were normal enough, but they will never be normal enough.

          1 reply 0 retweets 17 likes
        4. Ivriniel‏ @Ivriniel Apr 27
          Replying to @lauralake3 @studentactivism and

          I’m not sure what you are trying to say. My point is that what Incels want really isn’t about sex, because if it were there are ways they could get it, including from sex workers.

          2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes
        5. Angus Johnston‏Verified account @studentactivism Apr 27
          Replying to @Ivriniel @lauralake3 and

          I think you're agreeing with each other.

          1 reply 0 retweets 9 likes
        6. Ivriniel‏ @Ivriniel Apr 27
          Replying to @studentactivism @lauralake3 and

          The last sentence makes me uncertain.

          1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
        7. Everpeach 1.0, A Collision of Miracles‏ @fangirlsmash Apr 27
          Replying to @Ivriniel

          I don’t want incels anywhere near sex workers because they tend to have a peculiar violent pathology which makes me conclude that there are likely to harm sex workers.

          1 reply 0 retweets 18 likes
        8. Ivriniel‏ @Ivriniel Apr 28
          Replying to @fangirlsmash

          Agreed. Fortunately, Incels don’t want to be anywhere near sex workers either. I actually had an argument earlier with someone who was like “If we legalized sex work, sex workers could hire security and then it would be safe for them to service Incels.” 🤦‍♀️

          0 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
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        1. CanGal  🥄‏ @CanGal_39 Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          Seems to me most self-described "incels" don't really want or lack access to sex - they want power & control over women. Many refuse to pay for sex even when they can afford it (because that doesn't allow them to imagine themselves as grand seducers).

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        2. Marla Kelly‏ @marla_mrk Apr 27
          Replying to @alexandraerin @studentactivism @robinhanson

          They’ve always got their hands

          1 reply 0 retweets 20 likes
        3. Christine Johnson‏ @garlicknitter Apr 27
          Replying to @marla_mrk @alexandraerin and

          Yeah, I've been thinking if you have access to your own genitals, you probably have access to sex. No transactions necessary!

          1 reply 0 retweets 6 likes
        4. Ivriniel‏ @Ivriniel Apr 27
          Replying to @garlicknitter @marla_mrk and

          It’s not really about sex though. It’s about power and control.

          1 reply 0 retweets 12 likes
        5. Christine Johnson‏ @garlicknitter Apr 27
          Replying to @Ivriniel @marla_mrk and

          Yeah, I got that.

          0 replies 0 retweets 4 likes
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